| 4:46 pm on Nov 27, 2000 (gmt 0)|
When you look at the url's you will see that there is some sort of rank=rnk in there.
The first 5 results list rnk=1-5
The sixth result shows rnk=1
The seventh shows rnk=2
So, I guess that the first 5 are based on Directhit, and the info goes to Directhit as well.
After the first 5 results it "starts over" and these results are provided by FAST (hence the relevance info?)
The results are not very similar to either Directhit og FAST when you search the same there.
Go figure ;)
| 4:47 pm on Nov 27, 2000 (gmt 0)|
Not knowing what is up or down in matters of this kind, I would still say that
a) Lycos.dk gets all its stuff from the Lycos.de database
b)Tthe first 5 results may well come from DirectHit, BUT:
shows that that doesn't quite seem to be the case when you make the same search there.
c) The reason for double results might well be because of two separate sources for primary and secondary results
d) We need a specialist for this.
| 5:07 pm on Nov 27, 2000 (gmt 0)|
Its a question about:
from who do Lycos get its results from?
I recognized that the results inside Directhit are very different to lycos-listings. (and directhit is soooo old...) But sometimes you get get results where there´s showed the meta-description, and for sure: lycos do not index one of the meta-tags.
And also for sure: these results don´t come from FAST - we almost have no listings in FAST.
Might be, that you´re right, rencke, that lycos.dk gets its results from the german database. It sounds logically.
| 2:28 pm on Dec 11, 2000 (gmt 0)|
A little change to MSN.dk - it is NOT Altavista but Inktomi and Looksmart who provides search technology.
Furthermore a new danish search service has seen the daylight:
Search results powered by Inktomi.
| 1:30 pm on Dec 13, 2000 (gmt 0)|
I have changed the entry for MSN.dk and added a new one for Everyday.
Are you really sure that this is a Danish SE? At www.everyday.com I got a whole screenful of Swedish text and news and the copyright notice is for Everyday Webguide AB, not AS as they would be called in Denmark. When I pinged them, I got through 14 nodes (!), but the last one was a DNS here in Sweden. Very strange. Plus, their server is so slow, that I wonder if they have one at all. Can you figure this out?
| 1:48 pm on Dec 13, 2000 (gmt 0)|
I just checked Everyday.com out again, and you're right the server is extremely slow.
Very strange! I've tried accessing it from different connections (all danish tough) and I get the danish "version" every time.
Can it be that they differentiate users by IP - it this possible without showing it in the browser?
I found this language selection page: [everyday.com...]
Maybe some of the techies can figure this one out?
| 3:16 pm on Dec 13, 2000 (gmt 0)|
I guess they do the same as Google - deliver their page in whatever language the browser is set to. That's pretty ambitious, especially if they have a lot of news and stuff on the page. What does the copyright notice show in the Danish version? A Swedish or Danish company?
| 3:30 pm on Dec 13, 2000 (gmt 0)|
It shows the swedish "AB":
© 2000 everyday webguide ab
but all other information is in danish.
It says that Everyday.com is managed by Everyday Webguide AB - owned by Modern Times Group MTG AB og NetCom AB - launched 1st of december 1999.
The site is now "nationalised" into France, Holland, Norway, Austria, Denmark and others.
A little more visibility through Inktomi though :)
| 11:40 am on Dec 18, 2000 (gmt 0)|
> Modern Times Group MTG AB og NetCom AB
Ahaaaa! Didn't see that. Big *BIG* money behind this - the Stenbeck empire comprising Tele2, the Nordic TV3 channel, a sizeable minority post in Sweden's TV4, newspaper Metro in several countries and lots more. All awash in profits. That certainly makes Everyday a player to be reckoned with.
| 5:42 pm on Jan 8, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Jubii are planning to adapt the "pay to be reviewed" sceme as well.
They are also planning some sort of user fee where the you get some advantages for paying - not clear yet.
The pay-for-review-method is not chosen yet, but it will probably be similar to Yahoo and Looksmart etc.
I'll post when I know more.
There's a minor error with Yahoo.dk - it is believed to rank 4th after Jubii, Kvasir and Opasia ;)
| 6:02 pm on Jan 8, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Oh My God! Not another one. This thing is spreading like a pestilence. A few more years with this, and the art of SEO will have degraded into a question of who's got the biggest volume discounts with the SE:s.
>Yahoo.dk - it is believed to rank 4th
5 if you count all sites, 4th if you remove teledanmark.dk and count SE:s only - right?
Any news yet about the webmaster services on Kvasir that Mikkel Svendsen spoke of in October?
| 6:25 pm on Jan 8, 2001 (gmt 0)|
>5 if you count all sites, 4th if you remove teledanmark.dk and count SE:s only - right?
It's spreading for sure. Jubii expect 50% of its income next year to come from pay-for-review and other user fee based services.
You're right about Kvasir
Things have happend lately:
Keyword suggetion tool a la Goto: [kvasir.dk...]
Keyword key hole - look at online searches. Try punching a term in a the front, and see it appear in the key hole results right after! [kvasir.dk...]
Kvasir top 50 and falling/rising terms pr. week: [kvasir.dk...]
It's actually pretty nice and it work's on [kvasir.dk...] , [kvasir.no...] and [evreka.passagen.se...] as well.
Think maybe some of you already know.
As for more sofisticated webmater tools I'm not aware right now.
Guess Mikkel eventually got the programmers moving ;)
Alert added: See posts Jan 26 about popularimeter
Edited by: rencke
| 7:17 pm on Jan 8, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Thanks Rumbas. I haven't been paying attention, so I didn't notice that these novelties had been introduced in SoL's search engines throughout the Nordic area (Evreka.fi too)
The Popularity meter appears to give a raw frequency count for the words you feed it with. Any idea what period the figure covers? Last month, current month, last week etc.
I am very happy to see that Danes are as obsessed with se* as my fellow countrymen. Makes me feel less ashamed. The spy page has been turned on in Evreka.com for more than half a year now and the uncensored contents make you blush.
The Danish top list also made me very happy. I was so proud to see the name of my country in Danish (Sverige) make it to the 42nd spot, just before "adult" and "xxxx". I think that is about how successful we will ever get.
This is top news you are bringing us, and unless you want to do it yourself, I will prepare articles also for the Swedish, Norwegian and Finnish disussions based on your info.
Alert added: See posts Jan 26 about popularimeter
| 7:40 pm on Jan 8, 2001 (gmt 0)|
I would be more than happy to post this news in the other relevant forums - I'll gather the links and post later this evening :)
BTW look out for a Looksmart editor visiting you sites shortly. Many of my clients domains have be registered at the directory at Kvasir (Looksmart).
And of course they are not thinking keywords like me - hence some "thin" descriptions.
At least it gives one more quality URL in the link pop game ;)
| 7:54 pm on Jan 8, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Wonderful. We haven't had much action in the Norwegian forum and none at all in the Finnish, so you may have to spell it out in some detail for them, since there is nothing to refer back to.
PS. Made it into About.com today. As you said, another quality link.
| 10:42 pm on Jan 25, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Just a little update on Voila.dk. It now redirects to www.voila.fr. It's no longer a danish search engine.
On the latest Kvasir news here and in the other nordic countries I stand corrected. It appears that what I initially thought was a keyword research tool actually (only) is a populatity tool that shows the number of pages on a given search in the index - similar to URL:" at Altavista.
..when you can't see the forrest because of all the trees.
I think it would be best alter the original posts - or I re-do new posts?
Rencke: me and oLeon owe you quite a few beers now..
| 2:16 pm on Jan 26, 2001 (gmt 0)|
My God! You are right. :o That popularimiter is nothing but a piece of useless junk. What can you possibly do with those word comparisons when you don't know how often they are searched? Avoid them and try for less frequent words, that may never be used by searchers? Just like you, I was convinced that results came from the search log, not from index statistics. I even mailed Mikkel Svendsen to compliment him on his great service.
I'll add something to the posts above to point down here, so that no one misses this. Thanks for the warning Rumbas. Will also delete Voila Denmark.
| 9:38 pm on Feb 1, 2001 (gmt 0)|
The popularitymeter has never been annunced as a "keyword research tool" - it's not. I don't know where you got that from. Below the tool is a few lines of text that very clearly explains what it is and what it do - read up boys :)
| 10:07 pm on Feb 1, 2001 (gmt 0)|
I know I'm imbaressed ;)
This is what happens when you don't leave the boys alone
| 10:44 pm on Feb 1, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Oh yes btw, regarding the Suggestion Tool ...
I haven't forgot you :) Trust me - I am working on the project. It will just take a little more time then I expected... But believe me, when it's ready you will be surprised :)
| 10:48 pm on Feb 1, 2001 (gmt 0)|
>don't leave the boys alone
I hope you meant "leave the boys on their own"
Mgr. WmW Dept for the Disspelling of Semantic Misunderstandings.
Mikkel: Rumbas, who is a perfectly sane Danish citizen, and I - who am not - have both seen your text and misunderstood the meaning of it. You may wish to reconsider the wording of the description.
| 10:54 pm on Feb 1, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Semi-correct Mr. Rencke
>This is what happens when you don't leave the boys alone
Should have been:
"This is what happens when you leave the boys alone"
Referring to our urge for Mikkel's help with Kvasir.
..I can't believe I got that one wrong too!
| 10:57 pm on Feb 1, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Who ever told you Rumbas is sane?? ;)
| 11:04 pm on Feb 1, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Well, he certainly gave that impression when I met him. I could be wrong, of course. Anyway Mikkel, I am glad that any doubts about your character have been disspelled. ;)
| 11:10 pm on Feb 1, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Sanity is a temporary state of mind ;)
| 11:18 pm on Feb 1, 2001 (gmt 0)|
| 4:50 pm on Feb 5, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Oh, I just noticed...
I don't know how you define "native language(s)" but in Denmark (and Danish SE's) we only speak Danish. Greenlandic and Faroese is only spoken by the very few people that come from those islands. German is NOT a native language :)
- if German is, then so is English, Swedish, Norwegian, Sign language etc ... Danish IS the only official language here ;)
| 4:56 pm on Feb 5, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Good point - on numerous occasions we have been confused with germans! Or as the capital of Sweden?!
| 5:01 pm on Feb 5, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Damn, I allways thought I was in Sweden :)
| 5:10 pm on Feb 5, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Are you two saying that the CIA [odci.gov] is wrong? (I had Belgium down for French and Flemish until an upset German, calling himself a German expatriate, told me a thing or two about Belgian 20th century history and who ended up on which side of the border.)
| 5:20 pm on Feb 5, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Interesting debate, here's another view:
"Foreign-language" speakers of English live in places where English is not singled out in any formal way, and tend to learn it to communicate with people from elsewhere. Examples might be Japanese who travel abroad on business and Italians who work in tourism in their own country. The distinction between the two categories of non-native speakers is sometimes blurry. In Denmark and Sweden the overwhelming majority of children are taught English in school -- does that constitute a special status?
Atlantic Online [theatlantic.com]
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