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msg:496960
 3:50 pm on Oct 22, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Germany - Deutschland. Search engines.
Fact sheet [odci.gov]
Domain(s): de
Online population: 15,9 million (July 2000)
Native language(s): German
Understanding of English: Very high
Hosts in domain: 1,9 million (Jul 2000)
Pages in language: 9,9 million (Sep 2000, all domains)
Pages in domain: 9,6 million (Sep 2000, all languages)
Local presence required for domain registration: Yes
Multiple domains allowed: Yes
Professional help: See bottom of page

Known general search engines:

Abacho [abacho.com]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?

Abadoor [abadoor.com]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: No Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: yes
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: Yes Keyword in title: Yes Keyword in description: Yes Keyword in meta keywords: Yes Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: Onle one page per domain, will not spider others. Similar to directory. Other:

Acoon [acoon.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?

Aladin.de see Abacho

Altavista Deutschland [de.altavista.com]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ?
Meta description used in search replies: ?Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?

AOL [aol.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: 3,9 mill page views/month Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ?
Meta description used in search replies: ?Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?

Belissima - see Abacho

Columbus Finder [columbus-finder.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: Owned by Abacho, probably same index.

Crawler.de [crawler.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?

Eule.de see Abacho

Excite [excite.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: 15 mill page views/month Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?

Fireball [fireball.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: 10,8 mill pageviews/month (research)/30 mill (own figures) Local language(s) required: Yes Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: Altavista
Meta description used in search replies: Yes Things that help ranking: Local language: Mandatory Local domain: No Keyword in URL: Yes, big. Keyword in title: Yes, boost if title=url. Keyword in description: Yes Keyword in meta keywords: No Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: No Other: Fireball reads additional meta tags indication a.o. language, audience and subject. Found in help pages. Likes high keyword density. and newer pages before older. Links and link text important.

Ina-Netz [ina-netz.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: Seach of own directory + secondary results from Altavista, Fast, Fireball and Google Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?

Infoseek [infoseek.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: Germany's #1 search engine with 30.8 mill page views/month + traffic from T-online Local language(s) required: Yes Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: Yes, and keywords too.
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: Yes Keyword in title: Yes Keyword in description: Not much Keyword in meta keywords: yes Keyword in header: yes Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: Also on main page of T-online, Germany's öeading portal with 47,6 mill unique visitors/month.

Lotse - see Speedfind

Nathan [nathan.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?

Lycos Deutschland [lycos.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: 36,6 mill page views/month Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?

MSN [msn.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: 3,4 million page views/month Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: Inktomi Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?

Spider.de see Abacho

Speedfind [speedfind.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: No Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: Own Meta description used in search replies: Yes, one line description, one line keywords, several line text from page.
Things that help ranking: Local language: Yes Local domain: Yes Keyword in URL: No Keyword in title: Yes Keyword in description: Yes Keyword in meta keywords: Yes Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?

Tigersuche [tigersuche.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: Oen spidered index supplemented by secondary results from Altavista, Fast, Fireball and Google. Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?

Voila [de.voila.com]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?

Local people who can help with translations and advise:

Ulrich Wisser, luna-park GmBH. Traffic analyses, SEO and translations into German. u.wisser@luna-park.de

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Updated Nov 6, 2000 16:15 GMT

Edited by: rencke

Edited by: rencke

 

wisser




msg:496961
 3:20 pm on Oct 25, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi,

"Alles klar" and "web.de" are really directories.
Please move them over to the Germany - Directories Forum.

Regards,

Ulli

rencke




msg:496962
 3:48 pm on Oct 25, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi Ulli, and recht hertzlich willkommen to WebmasterWorld.:) I hope that you will like this forum. We sure need people who know about German search engines and directories in order to get the Grand European Plan rolling.

AllesKlar and Web.de have now been moved to directories and I look forward to hearing more wisdom from you.

georged




msg:496963
 4:12 pm on Oct 25, 2000 (gmt 0)

rencke,
I will ask my SEO colleague in our German office to register here (he joined our company the day before yesterday). He has a lot of knowledge of German search engines, I'm sure he will be glad to help out (and if he's not I'll bully him :) ) Hopefully, he'll be able to post something tomorrow.

rencke




msg:496964
 4:56 pm on Oct 25, 2000 (gmt 0)

Great georged, just great! Thanks a lot.

With a rapidly growing online population of 16 million Germany (+100%/year) is currently Europe's second biggest Internet market, and likely to pass even the UK in a year or two. By then, everybody will want to know absolutely everything about the German SE-scene. So send you new guy over. Ulli and I will take good care of him - right Ulli?

wisser




msg:496965
 8:41 pm on Oct 26, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi Jan,

are you online right now? It was really nice to meet you at todays conference and I am looking forward into tomorrows workshops.

Down to to business:
Please make Lotse.de to see speedfind.

So long

Ulli

wisser




msg:496966
 8:46 pm on Oct 26, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi Jan,

couldn't resist. Just like to add some more information:

Fireball
Language interface: German
Traffic volume:
Local language(s) required: yes
Local domain(s) only: no
Search technology: Altavista
Meta description used in search replies: yes
Things that help ranking:
Keyword in URL: This is the most important Keyword in title: helps a bit
Keyword in description: not really
Keyword in meta keywords: not really
Keyword in 1st paragraph: no
Other: Look at their help pages. They have some additional Meta-Tags defined for their service. To indicate the language for example, the audience or the subject of your site.

rencke




msg:496967
 9:16 pm on Oct 26, 2000 (gmt 0)

<sternly> Wisser! </sternly> You should be in bed. You have to get up at 6 am tomorrow. It is only us old folks who don't need so much sleep. But thanks for the info on Fireball anyway. (Not much surprised that Danny Sullivan managed to provoke you into this late night effort, with his overhead picture of "major international search engines" today.) rcjordan is absolutely 100% right with his observation in the "European languages" thread. Did you read that. rc is American, but an insightful one.

Yes I am online, but I have been writing a lenghty newsfeature backstage concerning today's events and in order to find out from my fellow moderators, what is indeed news and what is just inattention on my part - before writing articles for the Altavista, Inktomi, Breaking news and European forums. (Don't want to make a fool of myself by repeating stuff that everybody already knows about.)

Keep it coming Wisser - but first: a good nights sleep. See you tomorrow.

wisser




msg:496968
 6:54 pm on Oct 28, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi Jan,

this have been two great days. Still can't believe it. The IMS conference was really a big event.

Back to work: Please add Nathan as
searchengine. The rest of the data will follow soon. I am in contact with these guys.

regards

ulli

rencke




msg:496969
 7:40 pm on Oct 28, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi Ulli!

I have updated Lots and Fireball.

>The IMS conference was really a big event
Yes indeed. And that was very unexpected. Up here in Sweden we are used to hearing canned speeches and a repetition of things announced elsewhere before.

I have posted one article in the Inktomi forum and will continue with the big news about Cloaking and Altavista tomorrow. Plus all the other stuff - I hardly know where to begin. My fellow moderators have seen the headlines, so I know now what is major news and what is not. Will take the big stuff first.

Looking forward to more good info from you. oLeon stayed over in Stockholm, so he is not home yet, but I guess we will be hearing from him soon.

oLeon




msg:496970
 2:09 pm on Oct 31, 2000 (gmt 0)

Yes, you will...

Hi!
I am back to Germany, and yes indeed, it was great in Stockholm, especially this discussion about cloaking.

Something to say to the list above:

- suchmaschine.com is a directory

- columbus-finder.com is owned by abacho.com, too - I donīt know exactly if both use the same index, but I really would say so.

- fireball.de only accepts german pages, but it can be from different domains (.com, .de, .at etc); traffic: 10,8 mio pageviews/month (research), 30 mio (fireballīs own info);
KW in URL: the most important, the best is as domain-name; KW in title: helps a bit MORE;
KW in description: helps
KW in meta keywords: helps a lot, if another pages ranks well; KW-density: the more the better

Restīll follow later...

BTW: Nice to know how people I only know from forums look like...;-)

georged




msg:496971
 2:33 pm on Oct 31, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hello again,
Just to say that my colleague has told me he will join these fora and certainly help out with these questions, but that he is very very busy at the minute. Sorry to get a bit premature on you. :)

rencke




msg:496972
 3:13 pm on Oct 31, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi oLeon, nice to see you back at the forum.
Have made a partial update of Fireball and also removed Suchmaschine, but there are a couple of points not clear:

>KW in URL: the most important, the best is as domain-name;
Do you mean that they look at the entire url, even subdirectories and file names, but that the killer is if the keyword is in the domain name itself?

>KW in meta keywords: helps a lot, if another pages ranks well;
No comprende, senor. Explain please.

As you can see from the above Wisser and you don't seem to be in complete agreement regarding keywords in description and keywords in meta keywords. Might we have your arguments please?

oLeon




msg:496973
 3:50 pm on Oct 31, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi again,
of course I can and I will:

KW in URL means:
#1 = keyword.domain.de or www.keyword.de - it doesnīt matter, where it appears
#2 = keyword in URI, ergo www.domain.de/keyword.htm or www.domain.de/keyword/something.htm

KW in meta keywords: I figured out that some pages do well though there arenīt once the KW on the page except in the meta-keyword; this is also what I mean with meta-KW in contrast to wisser

KW in Meta-description: my experience is that if the KW is in the description (once, twice) it has a weight - not allone, but it supports the other ones (title, domain)

Hope this helps a bit.

wisser




msg:496974
 3:51 pm on Oct 31, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi,

on Fireball: if you have the keyword in your domain name it will give your pages a boost. Secend best ist in the path. Keywords and description can't beat that. They will really help only a bit, if you have the keyword already in the domain (or path).

regards,

Ulli

wisser




msg:496975
 3:58 pm on Oct 31, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi oLeon,

can't confirm on columbus-finder.de to be a member of the Endemann network. Even on the Abacho pages there is no information about this.

By the way, renecke could you add belissima in the searchengine list. It's also an "see Abacho" but it is targeting women.

regards

Ulli

rencke




msg:496976
 4:26 pm on Oct 31, 2000 (gmt 0)

OK, let's see if I understood this correctly.

You both agree that keyword in url is the most important and that the domain part is #1 followed by rest of path #2.
This is confirmed by my standard test:
[suche.fireball.de...]

(I always do this one because I know by heart what pages should rank high and why. The only strange thing with this one is that www.schweden-urlaub.de doesn't come on the first page - it does everywhere else. Wonder why?)

Meta keywords and description count, but will be beaten if there are pages with keyword in url.

oLeon, are you absolutely sure about columbus and abacho?
Wisser: Belissima doesn't stand on it's own feet then? It is just another interface for Abacho?

One of you told me about the SE at T-online. Can't find it in my notes. Which one was it?

oLeon




msg:496977
 5:19 pm on Oct 31, 2000 (gmt 0)

Oopps,
I donīt know - how could I write this with columbus??? Itīs wrong of course, might be that I mixed it up with anything else - Iīll figure out...;-)

rencke, your schweden-urlaub page is too old! Because, and I forgot to post it: fireball.de is much date-sensitive, that means that if a page is submitted yesterday it gets a boost cause of the date. Look at the other pages in your search, most of them are really new. Try it once...change a bit on the page and resubmit it - youīll be confirm with me. You may wonder because in your search appears at the second place inlisting a strange page: in the sourcecode you can find "schweden" in a lot of links. Be aware of that, it can boost your page, too. Name your links like your keywords or name a subdirectory like your keyword, it helps.

About T-Online:
itīs Infoseek.de. Look at the T-online-page, above in the corner on the right site, there is a little box from infoseek.de. Try a search and you will know...the design is different, and you can see in the URL of the search (and of course also in the referers), that there is written something like "...sv=TO..." that means it has been a search on T-online. If it was on infoseek.de itself it is "...sv=IS..."

Alt i orden?

regards
oLeon

rencke




msg:496978
 5:47 pm on Oct 31, 2000 (gmt 0)

>if a page is submitted yesterday it gets a boost cause of the date
Now that is what I call an important finding! And quite unusual too, almost unique to Fireball I would say.

Actually, schweden-urlaub is not my page, but it comes up repetedly when I do my standard acid test in search engines, all over the world. Will tip off the owner, though.

I too noticed the strange #2 answer. So Fireball takes notice of links and link text. That is also an important finding.

Re: T-online. This is Germany's top home page because it is pre-set when you get you Internet account from them, right? It ranks top with MMXI all the time. So one can assume that Infoseek, would have more traffic than any other German SE?

Great stuff oLeon. Wisser: Do you have anything to add to this?

oLeon




msg:496979
 6:12 pm on Oct 31, 2000 (gmt 0)

You are right with that about T-online, itīs a big dealer cause their place as internet-provider.

Some numbers about german searchengines:
Altavista 30,5 Mio.(own number)
AOL (Inktomi) 3,9 Mio.(research)
Excite 15,0 Mio.(own number)
Fireball 10,8 Mio.(research)/30 Mio.(own number)
Infoseek 35,8 Mio.(own number)
Lycos 23,6 Mio.(research)
MSN (Inktomi) 3,4 Mio.(research)
T-Online (Infoseek) 47,6 Mio.(research)
Web.de (Altavista) 38,5 Mio.(research)
Yahoo (Google) 30,5 Mio.(research)

regards
oLeon

wisser




msg:496980
 8:15 pm on Oct 31, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi,

yes, Belissima is just another Frontend to Abacho. But all the other "see Abacho" engines are too. There is really only one
index at Abacho, all others are only Frontends.

wisser




msg:496981
 8:15 pm on Oct 31, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hello again,

the Infoseek sv Parameter is not limmited to TO and IS, e.g. sv=STBON does a regional search for Bonn only. (This feature is used in the T-Online regional portal) So sv can't be used as an indicator from where the user came.

wisser




msg:496982
 8:33 pm on Oct 31, 2000 (gmt 0)

Ok, this time speedfind:

Language interface: German
Traffic volume: ?
Local language(s) required: No
Local domain(s) only: No
Search technology: own
Own Meta description used in search replies: Yes. Speedfind returns table with one line of the description, one line of the keywords and several lines of text exctracted from the page by speedfind itself.

Things that help ranking:
Local language: Yes
Local domain: Yes
Keyword in URL: No
Keyword in title: Yes
Keyword in description: Yes
Keyword in meta keywords: Yes
Keyword in header: ?
Keyword in 1st paragraph: ?
Other: ?

wisser




msg:496983
 12:56 pm on Nov 1, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi rencke,

please remove Info Tiger. The url [infotiger.de ] is only an
alias to [infotiger.com ]. I couldn't find a German interface and the owner isn't German. So think they don't fit here.

Regards,

Ulli

oLeon




msg:496984
 1:41 pm on Nov 1, 2000 (gmt 0)

It might be that itīs not limited, but try it:
[infoseek.de...] - this search shows the design for T-online
and this search
[infoseek.de...] shows the design for Infoseek itself.

I donīt mean that it shows where the user come from - itīs a question about in which portal the page has been showed.

rencke




msg:496985
 2:23 pm on Nov 1, 2000 (gmt 0)

OK, fellers. Germany updated. Great stuff. Keep it coming.

oLeon




msg:496986
 5:33 pm on Nov 1, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hello again,
just a bit more information...

INFOSEEK
Language interface: German Traffic volume: Look above! Local language(s) required: yes Local domain(s) only: no Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: yes (Meta Keywords also used)
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: yes Keyword in title: yes Keyword in description: not really Keyword in meta keywords: yes Keyword in header: yes Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?

more coming soon;-)

wisser




msg:496987
 7:35 pm on Nov 1, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi,

found a new engine Abadoor [abadoor.com ]. It seems to be harsh against spamming and will only allow the submission of one page per domain. Neither a local domain nor is german language required. They explicit mention to use Meta Keywords and description. Description and title will be shown as search result. Keyword in URL, Title, description will help ranking (in this order).

The engine seems more to operate like a directory. Having an entry for every page and only using this info.

Regards,

Ulli

Rumbas




msg:496988
 10:44 pm on Nov 1, 2000 (gmt 0)

Phew!

Things are really moving in here.
Greetings to Oleon - nice to see your "face" in here too :-)

My general overview of the German market has become a bit foggy about T-online.
Does a listing in www.infoseek.de also mean that you are in at T-online?

If yes - is the search results from Infoseek filtered by T-online?

Rumbas

wisser




msg:496989
 8:34 am on Nov 2, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi,

yes T-Online uses Infossek. Just look at their Homepage [t-online.de ]. Where ever you go on their site the small searchbox in the upper right corner will stay. When you start a search it will show the Infoseek result page exactly as shown by Infossek. In fact they just show the the Infoseek page in a frame so you don't see the adress. No filter or whatsoever.

By the way that shows that the traffic numbers oLeon posted for Infoseek and T-Online don't talk about the T-Online search. It's T-Onlines pageviews and the Infossek Pageviews *include* the searches from T-Online.

Regards,

Ulli

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