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Euroseek directory now live.
mtgratedir1




msg:493022
 12:55 am on May 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

You can now submit pages to euroseeks directory at no cost. Free submissions. I'll take it.

 

nwilson




msg:493052
 6:10 pm on May 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

Well, I submitted a couple about 4pm, it's now 8pm so I guess they're doing office hrs.

Presumably they're somewhere in europe (germany if i remember rightly) and they'll get back at it in the morning :-)

Nick

NFFC




msg:493053
 6:29 pm on May 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

Anyone have a link to the privacy policy?

nwilson




msg:493054
 6:40 pm on May 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

Good call, doesn't appear to be one? I didn't mind giving my email, I'll /dev/null 'em if they spam me!

EliteWeb




msg:493055
 7:22 pm on May 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

(; oOooo such a nice empty directory waiting for me to blow them with my load of web pages!@ :)

vitaplease




msg:493056
 5:28 am on May 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Looks like a hidden treasure only known to this forum.

Finally I can check all the sites of WMW posters, previously unlisted in their profiles ;)
(mine will be there soon as well - I hope)

nwilson




msg:493057
 6:10 am on May 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Nice one Vitaplease!

Why is it people don't show their url's here?

vitaplease




msg:493058
 7:08 am on May 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

nwilson,

I for one plead guilty!

Privacy, privacy, privacy.

But most probably because most believe they have invented some very efficient - never seen before - SEO.

Furthermore some inventions might just be a bit too much for everyone's taste.

Do not forget:

Content is king, but its no use being the most beautiful girl in town if no-one can find you. (my validation of SEO and "la raison d'Ítre" of 80% of the threads of these forums?).

nwilson




msg:493059
 8:47 am on May 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Wahaay.... I'm in!

Seems there's no problem with multiple catagories either, I got one of my sites in two appropriate places...

Hope it works out for them :-)

Nick

Dave_B




msg:493060
 8:56 pm on May 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

I submitted 2 or 3 days ago and have not yet been listed or notified of denial. Hmmmmm

nwilson




msg:493061
 8:59 pm on May 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

Yes, one site for a client under business never got listed either.

Hope it's not gone down the pan already!

Nick

webpupil




msg:493062
 10:17 pm on May 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

Does anyone know the email to contact Euroseek?
I submitted a site to Euroseek 2days ago. I received email Today that it has been rejected. The reason given was duplicate content.
I do not understand what they mean by that, because the site is a new directory and it's empty at present.
The note said not to reply to this email. So I sent email to info@euroseek.com for more info, and it was returned(550). I emailed webmaster, and it was undelivered too.

nwilson




msg:493063
 8:48 am on May 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

Doesn't appear to be one, seems that they're a little 'slap-dash' in some areas.

My other site got listed last night so they're adding again.

They don't appear to have any page rank except for the front page? Is this because the directory is not in google yet or are they keeping bots out of the directory?

Probably the first wouldn't you say?

Nick

brotherhood of LAN




msg:493064
 8:57 am on May 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

It seems like their turnaround time is slowing down somewhat...Ive also been waiting a few days 'cos I forgot to submit a site first time round :)

Euroseek




msg:493065
 9:31 am on May 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi,

webpupil, we just launched the web mail so we had a glitch in our mail server for a few hours that day. You can email your site info to support@euroseek.com and we will get the site added for you.

brotherhood of LAN, our current turnaround time is about 4-5 days.

Thanks.

Yidaki




msg:493066
 10:06 am on May 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

Euroseek,

good work!

Could you please explain the translation thing ... i submitted some of our german sites - after been rejected with a german title and description i resubmitted in english and they were accepted. But when i view the listing it's in English and not translated in my User and Browser Language German.

Allthough I see some Listings in german ...

Napoleon




msg:493067
 10:43 am on May 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

I actually see the directory as a decent opportunity for Euroseek... and a potential for syndication if they get it right.

With L$ effectively exiting this market (and in any case being irreversibly tarnished), I feel there is scope for another major player to emerge in this area to compete with ODP and Yahoo.

The quick turnarounds suggest that Euroseek are approaching this positively, and their appearance on this forum also demonstrates an enlightened attitude. Their directory layout is also very good. I have pretty good vibes about it and certainly wish them all the best.

nwilson




msg:493068
 11:54 am on May 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

Shouldn't thing those turnarounds will last long though. Last week it was a couple of hours, now 4-5 days.

As they get busy it will extend I'm sure. I agree about the syndication opportunities though..

Nick

Euroseek




msg:493069
 8:00 pm on May 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi,

Yidaki , the reason we want all titles and descriptions in english is will be lauching our translation software in the next week or 2 at the most. This will give the user the ability to choose the language they want and all searches will be translated into that language. This is why Euroseek wants all sites in one language. We will be adding a link to the submit form so you can transalte your titles and descriptions. So when a user comes to the site and picks french, all titles and descriptions will be transalted into french. They will be able to transalte the web pages also.

Napoleon, thank you for your support we appreciate it.

One more issue is privacy, the privacy policy will be up asap. Please do not worry about us spamming anyone. This is the last thing on our minds. We also will not be selling anyones names or email addresses.

Any other questions or concerns please let me know.

Thank you.

Jill




msg:493070
 11:53 pm on May 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

Euroseek:

We are having sites rejected that we submitted. The reason we were given is:
Your website already exists in this category.

These sites do not exist in the directory. The domain hosts many sites and they are all unique, so all we can assume is that you are not accepting sub-domain sites. Is this true?

nwilson




msg:493071
 9:50 am on May 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

Funny. I seem to have two listings for the same url in the exact same catagory.

This was a mistake. I thought the form had not gone through and re-did it.

Euroseek -- If you sticky mail me I'll tell you where it is and you can remove one of them.

Nick

ettore




msg:493072
 2:50 am on May 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Euroseek:

A few questions for you, just to better understand the ontology you are applying (and its future developments):

a) I see that while you took the structure from ODP you don't have a World/ category. Should therefore a site in, say, Italian language be added with a title and description in English in the most appropriate topical (English, that is) subcategory ?

b) Should it be noted in the suggested description (and will it be shown in the published one) that the site is in X language ?

c) Am I therefore correct in assuming that an Italian language site selling blue widgets and a French language site selling blue widgets should both be added in the same Shopping///Widgets/Blue/ subcat, and both with an English title/description ?

d) Am I therefore correct in assuming that an Italian language site about Tourism in Piedmont and a French language site on the same topic should both be added in the same Regional/Europe/Italy/Regions/Piedmont/T&T/ subcat, and both with an English title/description ?

e) I see that related categories residing in different subtrees are not... related. Will you implement in the future some kind of relationship links (ODP style or whatever, like relating Shopping/Food with Shopping/Wine and vice-versa) ?

f) The "main page" is at euroseek.com, the directory startpage is at euroseek.com/cgi-bin/new/nav.cgi?cat= and that makes sense. The category path navigation bar in all subcat pages has the link "Home" leading to the root homepage and not to the directory startpage. Looking at the directory startpage and noticing that the category path navigation shows "Home >" NOT linked, I assume that *this one* was intended as the "homepage" for the directory navigation, and not the root one. A bug?

g) I understand the possible reasoning behind keeping the Adult hierarchy not linked from the main page of the site (while I don't fully agree with this decision -- but I'm not here to start an endless discussion about the pros and cons in doing one way or the other :) ). Why is therefore the Adult hierarchy linked from the directory startpage? Will this link disappear there or will it be added to the root homepage, too?

h) On the other hand, I don't understand at all the reasoning behind not linking the Kids&Teens hierarchy from the root homepage :) Will this link be added there?

i) Always about K&T (and languages). I see you have implemented a K&T/International hierarchy. Thinking "with an ODP mind" (sorry, got used to that...) this should be a place for K&T-friendly sites with content in languages other than English, which makes sense from an ontological point of view -- and actually, it is the meaning of the K&T/International hierarchy in ODP, which corresponds to the /World hierarchy. But noticing that you don't have a /World hierarchy I am somewhat confused (also relating to my questions a, c, and d). That is, I see at least some inconsistency in having X Language sites about widgets for children added in K&T/Intl/X/Widgets (which is good and logic, IMHO), and other normal X Language sites about widgets added in /Widgets mixed with Y/Z/W/...n Language sites on the same topic (which is confusing, since no matter how you translate title/desc, the final user will always have to wade through sites in different languages mixed in the same category to pick the ones he can read understand).

Uhmm... sorry for having been so nitpicky :)

heini




msg:493073
 10:28 pm on May 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Interesting post, Ettore, shows a lot of experience with directory structures.

It will be interesting to see if Euroseek is able and willing to undertake this great task of building a meaningful and well structured directory - and all of this without taking submission fees.

Another point I keep wondering about: translation software.
I have not come across a translation software that would be able to produce really meaningful proper translations. Perhaps the best free online translation tool out there at the moment is the one Google uses.
Now look at this: it's the main page of Yahoo.de [translate.google.com], automatically translated by Google. Note the category titles and subtitles.

Rumbas




msg:493074
 11:28 pm on May 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

The computer translation worries me too. Specially when you're translation from english to a non-english language. It's better the other way around.

Here you're targeting native speakers with machine translated copy. You better have sites and content in there not available elsewhere. The description would have to be very well translated to give the visitor any chance of using the results.

Here's another translated version of yahoo.de [fets3.freetranslation.com] translated by freetranslation.com. I'd say it looks fair, but the wording is pretty general and as you go deeper into more specialized cats using automated translation, the quality decreases real fast imo.

Nick_W




msg:493075
 6:40 am on May 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

Maybe I'm just a grumpy old cynic but I reckon their translations are almost certain to be crap.

I wait with interest, one of my sites will be translated to danich to make sense (dk company) and I anticipate gales of laughter at any attempt!

Nick

Rumbas




msg:493076
 11:36 am on May 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

Sticky me the url once it's done Nick.
I'll pass it around the office for a good laugh ;)

Seriously, machine translated copy is not the way to go, and we've had some good threads on it already.
In the "Translations will get you top rankings.." threads 1 [webmasterworld.com] and 2 [webmasterworld.com] we pretty much came to the conclusion that regionalized content is king, but only if it's done right.

ettore




msg:493077
 5:50 pm on May 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>Another point I keep wondering about: translation software.
>>regionalized content is king, but only if it's done right.

You know how I agree with this :)

skirril




msg:493078
 6:47 pm on May 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Euroseek, some omre questions for you:

1) some companies have taedn their time to manually translate websites into non-english language. This translation will undoubtedly be better than a machine translation (who does not fear babelfish & co tranlsations? )
Will there be localized (by language) variations of the dir?

2) What about content that by its nature is only interesting to a very localized geographic gorup?

Skirril

Euroseek




msg:493079
 4:15 am on May 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi,

Thanks for the great posts and great submissions. Our transaltion option will be out next week. As soon as I have a url, I will post it here. Lets have you try it and then see what you guys think. Some of you may be suprised. Of course we are aware you think it won't transalte well. Current turnaround time is about 10 days to get indexed in the directory. We are currently looking at launching smaller language and country specific directories also. I have a question for eveyone here. What do you think would be the best directory structure for a european search engine? How would you set it up. If anyone wants they can email - snip - , we will read the emails.

Thanks everyone.

(edited by: heini at 9:09 am (utc) on May 30, 2002)

heini




msg:493080
 9:17 am on May 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

Euroseek, looking forward to see the translation software at work.

While we generally appreciate a direct communication between webmasters and SEs, we prefer and encourage discussion on the board rather than in private.
That's what we are here for!

The discussion on the progress of Euroseek is continued here [webmasterworld.com]

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