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German keyword suggestion tool is up
Overture
heini




msg:496392
 8:03 pm on Feb 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

http://inventory.de.overture.com/d/searchinventory/suggestion/ [inventory.de.overture.com]

Also a german search facility is up and running [de.overture.com]

 

Brett_Tabke




msg:496393
 8:48 pm on Feb 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

5 searches and I found 8 keywords to target in German that I didn't know. It's still the coolest seo tool ever put out. I know I unknowingly recommend Overture to some clients who want "hits now" just because of the keyword suggestion tool.

Damian




msg:496394
 9:19 pm on Feb 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Heini, what do you make of the differences between this suggestion tool and the original ?

My german is very poor..but i tried a search for 'suchmaschine' on both which i think means 'search engine'.

In the international one I think I get things like 'search engine positioning' , 'german search engine', things I would expect.

The German one focuses on engines only if I read it read it right, and although it looks like it is only searching on the last part of the word 'maschine', the results are again quite different from the internatonal one.

Different audiences,cultural differences, my poor German, or just bugs ?

heini




msg:496395
 9:53 pm on Feb 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

such-whatever rewrites to whatever. such is german for search, gets dropped in searches on the suggestion tool. Not so on websearching with overture.
IOTW: bug

Brett_Tabke




msg:496396
 10:08 pm on Feb 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

This is really something different for us "english only/language challenged" SEO's. Surfing through the kw's isn't only profitable, it's educational as well. I mean there are keywords I'm targetting for Europe for a client, that I didn't know translated so well into German.

Damian




msg:496397
 10:12 pm on Feb 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thanks Heini. Still, the numbers and most popular combinations of a few other words I checked (ie. 'eintragen' - 'to submit', or 'eintrag' - 'submit') are also very different(while taking the such bug into consideration).
Not neccessarily more bugs, it does make me wonder about the value of both these tools.

heini




msg:496398
 10:22 pm on Feb 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hmmm. Checking some more exotic terms brings some exotic results indeed. Somehow I suspect their db is just not big enough for rarely used queries.
Whlie eintragen, eintrag, etc may be rather popular terms among certain groups of users I doubt they are broadly used query terms...

Damian




msg:496399
 10:40 pm on Feb 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

I just realised what it's saying (in english) at the top of the list.. these are Projected Monthly Searches Germany.
The original one shows actual numbers for december 2001.

heini




msg:496400
 12:22 am on Feb 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

I could swear (or could I..) that's what the german version said earlier tonight: Searches done in December 2001...

Anyhow - they should have been able to get sufficient data from one of their partners.

Come to speak of partners: still no overture listings on T-online.

wolfy




msg:496401
 8:07 am on Feb 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Finally they started!!!
I was asking two days ago when would they stert and ..
Now let's take the dictionary and find a lot of German KWs.
However still nothing appears both on Aol and T-Online.

bye

wolfy

oLeon




msg:496402
 10:54 am on Feb 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Overture should start on monday, the 25th of february - first on t-online and later -I remember in april- on AOL.de

As I heard should all SERPS on t-online come from overture, not only the first three or five results as sponsored links. So is FAST thrown away again from another german portal (after they lost web.de, startseite.de to google...).
Unfortunately I donīt know for sure whether the backup-engine for overture.de is inktomi as itīs in the internatinonal overture. I suggest it īd be that way.

wolfy




msg:496403
 11:07 am on Feb 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Are you sure?
It means Fast is losing a lot of its popularity!!
Well, if you are well listed on Inktomi and got Overture listings too no problems on T-Online! :)

Wolfy

angiolo




msg:496404
 11:20 am on Feb 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

It's really a pity!

Everywhere you have to switch to paid mode to be on the top.

heini




msg:496405
 1:54 pm on Feb 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

oLeon, what do you think of the suggestion tool - accurate enough?

>t-online/fast well that would be a major accident for Fast.

oLeon




msg:496406
 5:54 pm on Feb 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Oh, itīs a strange business today...

Now I heard from Lycos, that the information about overture on t-online is wrong. They say FAST will be the supplier of the SERPS also in the future.
I am curios about who will be right...

I didnīt test the tool much, yet. But the first impression is the same as on overture.com: one of the best sources to get keywords in relevance to searches on SEs. Not accurate but a very good step into your collecting of keywords.

(edited by: oLeon at 5:58 pm (utc) on Feb. 21, 2002)

oLeon




msg:496407
 5:57 pm on Feb 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

[Just to post my reply no. 300 ;-))]

I think, when overture is online two or three month in Germany the tool will become more accurate if the search of t-online and AOL also appear in these datas.

heini




msg:496408
 6:20 pm on Feb 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

oLeon, congrats!
One of the earliest and most consistent contributors to the Euro forums!

>data
well somewhere they must have collected stuff, probably "bought" from one of their future partners. It's considerably more than what they show for the same german terms in the english tool.

daikon




msg:496409
 1:21 am on Feb 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

And still I dream of the Japanese version of this tool...

webby2001




msg:496410
 7:18 pm on Feb 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

I am now one happy teddy bear!

Ok... so the jury is still out on the confidence issue, but this is a great start.

Just what the doctor.. sorry SEO ordered :-)

There are other sites that offer german keyword suggestion. I think their samples are too small personally and to be frank I'm not that confident of the origins of their databases.

Those are found at
net-soft.de
and
webmasterplan.com

Try them out with a word like "immobilie" (real estate) and play spot the difference. Also include the US version of the overture keyword suggestion tool for something completely different.

So which to chose?
Well I'm going for the new German Overture as their sample at least appears to be much larger than the other 2 alternatives.

Regards

Alan

(edited by: heini at 7:35 pm (utc) on Feb. 22, 2002)

heini




msg:496411
 7:41 pm on Feb 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

>samples are too small
On spot, Alan. Those are ok tools, but after all teasers for paid services.

The Overture tool is a good thing, and while I'm personally not too happy with PPC spreading like wildfire, this tool is a little reimbursement.

klaus




msg:496412
 12:18 pm on Feb 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi to all,

this is my first posting on Webmasterworld.com
My name: Klaus Patzwaldt
My website: http://www.at-web.de/

This problem with the german keyword suggestion tool based on a other tool, named Match Driver.
It was developing for wordstemming. Wish you bidding for "suchmaschinen" it reduce to "maschine" and show also all matching terms, if it work properly. This time it don't.
I ask Overture Germany. They say, they will solve this problem.

Keep in mind, this is not a official launch for Overture Germany, but it comes in the near future.

All terms are estimations for german user. Around 3 month after launch on T-Online they have a more solid basis for keyword suggestion.

More information:
http://www.at-web.de/overture/suggestion.htm
It's in german but you can use the "translate this site" link, on the right hand site.

heini




msg:496413
 2:13 pm on Feb 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hello Klaus - welcome to the board!

Thanks for accepting my invitation. Regulars here will already know your site as a good information source.

>terms are estimations
Really? can't help but thinking they must have collected or acquired some data. If you compare the german tool with the english, for the same keywords of course, you'll find that not only the figures are totally different, but also the suggested combos.

webby2001




msg:496414
 6:34 pm on Feb 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi Klaus :-)
Good to see you here!

Congratulations on a first rate site btw.

It seems that Overture are a tad confused themselves. I've carried out a keyword suggestion search on the german version where it states that the suggestions are not "Geschätzte" ( estimates) but are based on Decembers database results.

I hope they fix the word stemming bug soon. Can't wait until their database is current and full of t-online queries.

I wonder if Wordtracker might include the Overture Germany database at some stage.

Just waiting for the espotting keyword research tool now :-) They claim they are working on it.

Regards

Alan

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