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Russia - Rossiya #1 [locked and continued]
2 search engines, 22 directories
rencke

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Msg#: 36 posted 3:39 pm on Oct 22, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Russia - Rossiya
Fact sheet [odci.gov]
Domain(s): ru, su
Online population: 6,6 million (4,5%) (July 2000)
Native language(s): Russian
Understanding of English: Very low
Hosts in domain: 260.500 (Jul 2000)
Pages in language: 3,1 million (Sep 2000, all domains)
Pages in domain 4,1 million (Sep 2000, all languages)
Local presence required for domain registration: Yes, except .com.ru
Multiple domains allowed: Yes
Professional help: See bottom of page

Known general search engines:

Altavista.ru is a camera company. Altavista.com has 7% of all searches made from Russia

Aport [aport-ru.com]
Language interface: Russian, English Traffic volume: 16% of all searches Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?

Google.ru redirects to Google.com. Google has 7% of all searches in Russia.

MSN.ru = Merchant Support Network. MSN.com has 7% of all searches from Russia,

Port [port.ru]
Language interface: Russian Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?

Yandex [yandex.ru]
Language interface: English and Russian Traffic volume: #1 in Russia, 37% of all searches Local language(s) required: Yes Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: Yes Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?

Known nationwide general directories:

@Rus [atrus.com]
Language interface: Russian, English Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Chat [catalog.chat.ru]
Language interface: Russian Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Surok [surok.wolf.ru]
Language interface: Russian Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Data.ru [data.ru]
Language interface: Russian Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Discover Russia [russia2you.org]
Language interface: Russian, English Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Holms.ru [holms.ru]
Language interface: Russian Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Hochu! [hochu.ru]
Language interface: Russian Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

LinkMaker [ipclub.ru]
Language interface: Russian Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

List.ru [list.ru]
Language interface: Russian Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Pingwin [pingwin.ru]
Language interface: Russian, English Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Rambler [rambler.ru]
Language interface: Russian Traffic volume: 16% of all searches Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: Rambler's top 100 is the main catalogue of Russian sites. Said to provide 50% of all directory traffis.

Region.ru [region.ru]
Language interface: Russian Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Rucity.com [rucity.com]
Language interface: Russian, English Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Russian Internet [neystadt.org]
Language interface: English Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Russia on the Net [ru]
Language interface: Russian, English Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Search Centre [search.centre.ru]
Language interface: Russian Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Starts [stars.ru]
Language interface: Russian, English Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Susanin [susanin.net]
Language interface: Russian Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Tela [tela.dux.ru]
Language interface: Russian Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Top list [top.list.ru]
Language interface: Russian Traffic volume: 15% of all searches Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: Requires that their own counter is placed on page.

Weblist RU [weblist.ru]
Language interface: Russian, English Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Ulitka [ulitka.ru]
Language interface: Russian Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Yahoo.ru redirects to Weblist.ru Yahoo.com has 7% of all Searches in Russia.

Zenon [aha.ru]
Language interface: Russian Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Additional search engines and directories found here [db.alba36.com]

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Urus_Hyby

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Msg#: 36 posted 11:14 pm on Nov 26, 2000 (gmt 0)

yandex.ru aka ya.ru is the most popular se. some 60% of searches.
includes any .ru site submitted, and *.* site after checking it...

I can make a really big report about russian SEs and directories, but it requires much time and i do not think anyone really needs it.

NFFC

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Msg#: 36 posted 11:17 pm on Nov 26, 2000 (gmt 0)

Urus Hyby, if you have the time we are more than interested.

rencke

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Msg#: 36 posted 11:29 pm on Nov 26, 2000 (gmt 0)

I agree, most emphatically. Russia has a rapidly growing online population of 6 million and no one, NO ONE, in the west has the foggiest idea of what is going on Internetwise and search enginewise there. And belive me, a year from now, everybody will be asking themselves: "Hey, what's going on in Russia". On that day, NFFC and I will raise a virtual statue in your honor. Plus: You will have made a name for yourself internationally as the number one guru on Russian search engines. At the very least, it ought to get you a free beer, wherever you go in the world. Maybe more. :)

Urus_Hyby

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Msg#: 36 posted 2:09 am on Nov 28, 2000 (gmt 0)

OK.
Hope it'll help you, guys.
here it goes:

Search engines:
yandex (ya.ru) 37%
rambler (rambler.ru) 16%
aport (aport.ru) 16%

than international search engines kinda av, yahoo, google, MSN with 7% of searches by russian surfers.

about Yandex.ru
my favourite se. good place for my trainings 8o)

Just for fun i got my site ranking in the top 5th for searchings like 'free mp3' 'download mp3' 'mp3 music' etc.
hence positioning and other things all you guys like to do is not frequently used there, in Russia...
any technique works with it: from writing with black on black background to making dorways, hallways and whatever you call them....

the sad thing is that i only get 10-15 visitors a day from Yandex...(

where's my beer? I'm already tired typing....

two others SE's (rambler.ru and aport.ru) are so, so unknown (i.e. nobody knows how they work :), and all attempts to get toplisting there failed...as everyone else's

don't laugh at my english, pls

there are lots of smalland regional SEs and their traffic is so low, that it's wasting of even registering in them.

about directories:

Rambler's top100 (top100.rambler.ru) is the main catalog of russian sites. Is's searchable and frequently used as SE.
50% of traffic from catalogs and directories comes from rambler's top. Listing in first page of the category can give you some 150-200 uins per day.

the second directory i mentioned is top.list.ru (15%)
same as rambler getting in it requires placing their counter on your page. the trick is, that Top List's counter is a silly one and whan it's in 5-sec refresh page it can count really lots of hits for you 8o)

but it wouldn't help 'cause really very few people come from there...why? don't know....

both Rambler.ru and List.ru are divided in top-part(www.top.list.ru and www.top100.rambler.ru) and simply catalogs (www.rambler.ru and ww.list.ru). What for?!?
who knows...

I'll continue tomorrow. It's 4 am here now. And i wanna sleep.
Hope you liked it.

to be continued...

rencke

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Msg#: 36 posted 5:14 pm on Nov 28, 2000 (gmt 0)

Oh yes, Urus_Hyby - we liked it:) This is absolutely great information on the country, that will probably have Europe's biggest online population four years from now.

A couple of points that I didn't fully understand:
1. The percentages shown for Yandex, Rambler and Aport, are they their share of total searches?
2. "av, yahoo, google, MSN with 7% of searches by russian surfers" Would that be about 7% each or 7% all together?

We are looking forward to the continuation from you, believe me.

rcjordan

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Msg#: 36 posted 5:50 pm on Nov 28, 2000 (gmt 0)

Urus_Hyby, if anyone laughs at your English, we'll just have them do a little project in a language of your choice as penance. Seriously, your post is well done and the information it contains is excellent. Thanks!

engine

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Msg#: 36 posted 7:21 pm on Nov 28, 2000 (gmt 0)

Urus_Hyby,
Excellent information. Thank you very much.

tedster

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Msg#: 36 posted 9:43 pm on Nov 28, 2000 (gmt 0)

Urus_Hyby

Thanks very much. I have one client with very good reasons to reach a Russian audience, and I have been without a clue how to help them. Your posts mean a lot to me.

Urus_Hyby

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Msg#: 36 posted 11:58 pm on Nov 28, 2000 (gmt 0)

thank U for your kind feedbacks on what i posted, but have not time to continue report today.
just some points:

re>> A couple of points that I didn't fully understand:
1. The percentages shown for Yandex, Rambler and Aport, are they their share of total searches?

yeah, right

re>> 2. "av, yahoo, google, MSN with 7% of searches by russian surfers" Would that be about 7% each or 7% all together?

7 for each one.

statistics for today (+ - yesterday)
Yandex 42.0 -1.3698
Rambler 19.2% +2.0939
APORT 17.8% -1.1967
Yahoo! 5.47% +0.3192
Google Search 4.79% +0.3090
Alta Vista 4.77% -0.1275
MSN.com 2.20% +0.0638

thanks.

Urus_Hyby

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Msg#: 36 posted 11:12 pm on Nov 30, 2000 (gmt 0)

Here's the continuing of my post about Russian SE and Directories.
So, as I promised some more figures now:

top 10 according to the number of hosts/hits/% of all per day:

Rambler 43338/153994/38.95%
LIST.RU 6642/13078/5.97%
top.ONE.ru 5639/8104/5.07%
UP.ru; 4922/6974/4.42%
COME.ru 4050/7066/3.64
Top200.ru 2543/3979/2.29%
Omen.ru/flinks.htm 2043/3303/1.84%
TOP.LIST.ru 1817/2545/1.63%
pingwin.ru 1499/2352/1.35%
Chat.RU 1372/1931/1.23%
...

so you can see that 10th resourse in the list hase only 1400 hosts a day...so even being in top5 in it would hardly give you much traffic.

(if you need I'll post ../../addurl.htm pages for russian SE and catalogs, or If you wish i can help you doing it)

Now some more statistics on search engines based in Ru domain:

Yandex ~700000 hosts/day
Rambler Se ~320000
Aport Se ~ 310000

the interesting situation is that in may2K Yandex was not leading, it was not even in top 3!!!
Rambler, Aport adn AV were leading, but after a massive attack this Internet Holding got the audience it has now.

thanks for your attention again,

p.s. If you want get some more reports on russian Internet development and e-commerce you can contact me

rencke

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Msg#: 36 posted 2:32 pm on Dec 1, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hello Urus and thank you for the information.

I have updated the main list of Russian search engines and directories with your information and have also tried Yandex, which appears to give great weight to keyword in title when it ranks search replies. I have added info on Altavista, Google, MSN and Yahoo, none of which has presence in Russia and only Google appears to have control over its own web-address. Could you please check that I have understood everything correctly?

I have also added a link to Alba36's list of 70 Russian search engines, directories and major list pages.

A couple of questions:

Your top 10 list above shows Rambler as #1 and Yandex, is not even on the list. Can you explain this, please. Is it just because the statistics are from different time periods?

Do you now anything about the Ukraine [webmasterworld.com] for which we have no other information than the basic stuff?

A summary of your information would be that Yandex, Rambler, Aport and the American versions of Yahoo, Google, Altavisa and MSN together account for about 98% of all searches made in Russia, so that these are really the only ones that we should concern ourselves with. Right?

Urus_Hyby

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Msg#: 36 posted 6:04 am on Dec 9, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi! Sorry for being out
the top-10 in my previous posting is top 10 for the directories(catalogs) of russian internet. Yandex is not there 'cause it is not used as directory, but mainly for searches, especially from their 'hole in the window' at www.ya.ru

rencke, you are correct about msn.ru, altavista.ru etc...
they are just trash :)

Ukrain? I cannot help You here...

VladT

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Msg#: 36 posted 9:04 pm on Feb 2, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hello,
Some exlcusive info from native :-)

Aport [aport.ru]
Language interface: Russian, English Traffic volume: 17% of all searches Local language(s) required: Yes Local domain(s) only: Yes Search technology: Own Meta description used in search replies: No, they use descriptions from their catalogue
Things that help ranking: Local language: Yes Local domain: Yes Keyword in URL: ?Yes Keyword in title: YES Keyword in description: No Keyword in meta keywords: No Keyword in header: Yes Keyword in 1st paragraph: Not so... Other: Registering in their directory (catalog.aport.ru), keyword frequency, CY

Tnere is no such engine - port.ru :( This is just Internet-holding and group of sites.

Well, my favourite Yandex. Really best SE in Russia.

Yandex [yandex.ru]
Language interface: Russian Traffic volume: 42% of all searches Local language(s) required: Yes Local domain(s) only: Yes Search technology: Own Meta description used in search replies: Yes
Things that help ranking: Local language: Yes :) Local domain: Yes Keyword in URL: Yes Keyword in title: YES Keyword in description: No Keyword in meta keywords: No Keyword in header: Yes Keyword in 1st paragraph: Not so... Other: Keyword frequency, CI. They design anti-spam techs, but they are not so effective

Well... and now most popular, but the most bad :) SE in our country - Rambler.

Rambler [yandex.ru]
Language interface: Russian Traffic volume: 18% of all searches, but the best advertising place (for banners :) Local language(s) required: Yes Local domain(s) only: Yes Search technology: Own, they update it right now Meta description used in search replies: No
Things that help ranking: Local language: Yes :) Local domain: Yes Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: Yes, but not so Keyword in description: No Keyword in meta keywords: No Keyword in header: Yes Keyword in 1st paragraph: They say - yes, but really - not so Other: High keyword frequency (but not so)

Uff, well, I'll try to answer other messages.

VladT

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Msg#: 36 posted 9:58 pm on Feb 2, 2001 (gmt 0)

any technique works with it: from writing 'free s*xp*sno cr*ck h*ck...' 10 times, with black on black background to making dorways, hallways and whatever you call them....

Yandex now is working hard on anti-spam technologies, Aport is very secret to us :), but it is clear, that if you are not in their catalogue, it is difficult to get high rankings. But you can buy 'zero-link' for $150 per 1000 shows. :)
Rambler is stupid :), but also have some anti-spam techs.
Well, about 'free s*x p*rn*' - maybe it is surprise to you, but russians mostly use russian language! :) So anti-spam techs made for russian words!

Some additional info on Yandex:
There is three steps of indexing by Yandex.
1. Your site (first registered page) will be in index in 15 minutes - if your servers reply in <3sec. and have .ru domain. Usually, you will be quite high in search results
2. During 1 week Yandex-robot will came again and index all pages of your site. After that it will give you a real relevancy. (CI, anti-spam)
3. It will came again to measure other parameters of your pages

It came quite often :)

Rambler now changing their robot, so we're waiting for results.

Aport is quite good SE, but Aport-developers doesn't came to our local SE-forums and don't answer email. Quite strange people :)

the sad thing is that i only get 10-15 visitors a day from Yandex...(

Well, it depends on words :) If you use english - it is a mistake. Russians like to use Russian. That russians, who use english, go to Altavista and Google.

BTW, it's OK to ask the popularity of words from SE-owners. Just write a letter with words wich you want to know the popularity and they will write back you a statistics in 1 hour (especially Yandex).

both Rambler.ru and List.ru are divided in top-part(www.top.list.ru and www.top100.rambler.ru) and simply catalogs (www.rambler.ru and ww.list.ru). What for?!?
who knows...

Some clarification on directories and ratings.

There is no practice of ratings in Europe and America, but in Russia it is very powerful instrument for promotion (especially Rambler's Top100, [top100.rambler.ru...]
It is not a directory! It is structured lists of pages, which are listed from most popular to less. To participate in rating, you should register there and put a 81*33 button to your page. After that this button will count your visitors and place you in rating. Hope, it's clear :)

Rambler's Top100 is most effective, if you have good traffic. And you have many visitors, you will have many reffers from their rating. People really use it.

Well, tired to type, hope, it was useful for you. And if you have any questions about russian SE - write me. And also you can include me in your list on the top of this discussion :)

Name: Vlad Tikhomirov
Occupation: Advertising specialist of BELTI-universal communications (Russia, Moscow)http://www.belti.ru
E-mail: vst@belti.ru
Spoken languages: Russian, English

Hope to hear from you :)

p.s. Oh, I forget to give a link to our local SEF - [searchengines.ru...] (on russian only)

Gray

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 36 posted 1:34 pm on Feb 3, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hi there, guys, thanks for promoting my site, :).

I`m webmaster of www.searchengines.ru.

What about information of Russian SE`s...

There three real indexing engines in Russia - Yandex, Rambler, Aport and one in Ukraine - META.

There are some guys of Yandex and Rambler crews on my forum, I`ve talked with them a lot and can explain you how these engines work.

Yandex. The database of it is clusterized into dozen or so servers. Very fast robot. After 2-3 hours of submitting the page it will be in the search results. But it means only that your page is on 'addurl' base. Main database is updated every 2-3 days using 'addurl' base. During such update your page can be dropped out of base because of suspicions of spam, technical troubles or else. So you must track the page position for a few days after.
Because of clustering the base, search results can depend on how busy servers are.
What it likes - you must have a solid amount of text at the page. Midsized article with repeating keywords works well. All your scripts (cgi or php) will be indexed. It works well for the forums (UBB for example), guestbooks etc. Also indexes alt tags, but scores it lower than text.
It takes about two weeks for robot to crawl the links and pages after.
Name of Bot - Yandex/1.03.00* (last number depends on which type of robot is - fast indexing, deep indexing etc.)
It does not support additional META tags - revisit-after, content... Uses link popularity named Citation Yandex.

Rambler. I don`t like it. Indexing can lasts two weeks, so any experiments are senceless. Does not index metatags, index first 200 kb of text. Does not index freeservers (excluding Russian ones) and international domains. Only .ru. If your site is about Russian and on Russian, but it is at the international domain you can e-mail the support and it can be indexed.
During this month they will launch new version of engine.

Aport. I cannot imagine how it works. For about 3 months my site is not indexed yet :( I have some visitors from it to my old sites that I submitted year ago.
Name of bot - Aport Registration Robot. Or Aport.

Wow... I have to stop...

Gray

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 36 posted 1:34 pm on Feb 3, 2001 (gmt 0)

If you interested, tell me, I will continue...

rencke

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 36 posted 2:34 pm on Feb 3, 2001 (gmt 0)

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A couple of tips: there are two useful features here at WebmasterWorld, not commonly found in other discussion fora: flags and e-mail notifications. When you see a discussion of particular interest to you, you can click "Drop flag" at the bottom of the page, and the url to the discussion will then be saved in your own local bookmark file, which you can view by clicking "flags" at the top of each page. You can also subscribe to e-mail messages each time something is added to a forum or to a discussion. From the forum menu, just click on "E-mail Updates" to subscribe to updates for the entire forum. From inside a discussion you click on "E-mail notification" to subscribe to updates for that discussion only. There is also a brand new and very quick site search to help you find what you are looking for. Try it!

There are two classical discussions here at WebmasterWorld that I recommend you to read if you haven't already found them: "One size fits all SEO" [webmasterworld.com] and "Thou shalt not..." [webmasterworld.com]

I took the opportunity to visit www.searchengines.ru using AltaVista Babelfish [world.altavista.com]. All I did was to enter the url, select Russian to English and click "Translate". I could then surf the lively discussion board and read it is easily as I read WebmasterWorld. Well... To be sure, automatic translations work best with correctly spelled complete sentences without unusual technical terms, but I could still get a pretty good idea. Try it - you will laugh yourself to death over some of the things you have written :) Who knows, I may even take a deep breath, register and post something myself translated into Russian by Babelfish. That could be fun.

I will be starting to update the main post on Russian search engines and directories after the weekend, using your excellent information. In the meantime - keep it coming. We want to know all there is to know. WebmasterWorld is the only discussion board in the west that has anything at all on Russian search engines in English.

- Jan

Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 36 posted 3:20 pm on Feb 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

Gray, VladT, welcome to the board. Thank you for stopping in. I did try to read some of your board via the Alta translator. I was very impressed at both the translator and the board.

This thread has been an education.

cfhoney

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 36 posted 11:34 pm on Feb 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

Thank you to everyone who has been collecting this information. What a great idea!

Here is my situation. The website I maintain is multilingual, but it isn't in Russian. One of the departments needs to target Russia and the Baltic and Balkan states. I can get those pages translated, but they will have a .com address. From what I have read, I would need to have a local domain to submit. Is this correct?
Would it be worth it to pay someone to submit our pages for me? And does anyone know someone who does this?
Any information I can get will be useful.
Thank you very much in advance. I look forward to your posts. :)

rencke

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 36 posted 9:06 am on Feb 16, 2001 (gmt 0)

Yandex does not require local domain, only local language and according to the info supplied by Urus_Hyby and others they have 60% of the market. So a dot-com in Russian would work well for Russia.

In the Baltic states, Poland and the Balkans, it is the leading of the national engines you want. We have nearly complete info on Poland (use local go-between to get a .pl domain and get into Onet and WP), there is good info on Lithuania and Latvia, but nothing yet on Estonia.

The people who have posted in the respective threads can probably help you, so why not send them an e-mail and ask? Translations would be much less expensive if made by a local on the spot. You could also ask the question in the discussions for these countries. Some subscribe to e-mail notifications and there are numerous 'lurkers' out there who will see what you write.

cfhoney

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Msg#: 36 posted 3:06 pm on Feb 16, 2001 (gmt 0)

Thanks Rencke. I have been looking into the other threads as well, since there are specific countries I need to target. It just seems like so much information. And being new at this, I periodically need clarification.
I appreciate your help.

funsad

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 36 posted 10:05 pm on Mar 18, 2001 (gmt 0)

I want to inform you of some new facts about online Russia.

According to the latest research (Nov 2000), online population of Russia increased to 9,2 million (6,3%). You should not overvalue the significance of this fact. 9,2 million, as well as previous number 6,6 million, means only maximum online population, i.e. the number of people, who have ever been in Internet. The number of active users (who use Internet at least during one hour a week) is considerably less and varies (from one research to another) from 1 to 2 million.

Understanding of English: I've described it here [webmasterworld.com].

Hosts in domain. Today (Mar 2001) Yandex [yandex.ru] (the most comprehensive Russian SE) knows more than 276.600 hosts. That's why I can suppose that total quantity of hosts notably greater than 300.000.

Pages in language. All Russian SE index mostly pages with content in Russian. Therefore we can consider the present (Mar 2001) number of pages in SEs as a minimum total number of pages. Yandex [yandex.ru]: 34.350.000 unique pages. Aport [www2.aport.ru]: 21.050.000 unique documents.

Yours sincerely,
Alexander Sadovsky.

rencke

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 36 posted 10:17 am on Mar 19, 2001 (gmt 0)

Excellent info Alexander!

So: There has been a 50% increase in the Russian online population in just 6 months. That confirms the picture that the Internet keeps growing by at least 100% per year in Eastern Europe. If that growth keeps up, we are looking at 18 million by the end of this year and 36 million two years from now. By the end of 2003, Russia will probably have Europe's biggest online population.

Your figures for Yandex confirm that this engine has spidered all, or very nearly all pages in the .ru domain or in Russian language. This is good to know.

wolf

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 36 posted 12:07 pm on Mar 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hi. I'm a Russian. At [alexa.com...] I found information about sites ranked top as viewed by users in Russian Federation in February 2001:

Rank Site Estimated Page Views (in 1000's)

1 msn.com 123,305
2 yahoo.com 114,955
3 yandex.ru 54,646
4 port.ru 48,635
5 rambler.ru 47,285
6 microsoft.com 33,535
7 aport.ru 33,119
8 narod.ru 27,496
9 tennisi.com 27,457
10 altavista.com 25,086

These results were surprise for me. What do you think about alexa.com? What is its reputation? Should I believe it?

rencke

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 36 posted 9:42 pm on Mar 23, 2001 (gmt 0)

Welcome Wolf to Webmaster World and to the European Forum. I am very happy to see another Russian join us here and hope that you will be followed by many more. I am sorry that I was not at hand to greet you sooner, but I have been out travelling for a couple of days. I hope you will like this "University of Search Engine Optimization" and that you will profit from the knowledge that can be gained here.

>Should I believe it? [Alexa statistics]

Excellent question. Alexa statistics are based on the behaviour of Alexa users who have downloaded their software and installed it on their computers. Only experienced surfers with an interest in searching and in the Internet and with a very good command of the English language are likely to do that. So, I would say that the Alexa statistics for Russia represent the elite, not the average Russian surfer.

I am sure that some Russian University or other will - sooner or later - provide us with excellent statistics on Internet usage in you country. Either that or one of the major international survey companies like MMXI or Nielsen will start to measure the rapidly growing Russian Internet scene. Until then, I think a good guess is that Yandex is the totally dominant force in Russia and that the volume figures presented in the first post in this discussion probably give a good overall picture.

If you want to know more about Alexa, you will get 30 hits if you use WebmasterWorld's site search function. It has been discussed here quite extensively.

PS. Any signs of spring in Tula yet?

wolf

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 36 posted 12:19 pm on Mar 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

Rencke, thank you for reply. I understood that Alexa.com results are not representative for Russia.
Few words about Russian search engines. I was very surprised when I have not found Rambler.ru in your search engines list. It is included only in directories list. Why? In my opinion, Rambler ( [rambler.ru...] ) is a most popular search engine in Russia (although Yandex's search results is little more relevant). As well as Rambler's searchable directory ( [top100.rambler.ru...] ) is a most popular directory (by the way, Yandex has its own searchable directory too, but it is not so popular).
Port.ru is not a search engine! If you will make a query there, you will be redirected to Yandex search results page.
P.S. Unfortunately spring does not hurry up to come in Tula. -3(C) and snow. :(

rencke

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 36 posted 4:27 pm on Mar 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

When the list was originally created I used a published list which showed Rambler as a directory. But I see your point. Thanks to Altavista's Babelfish service I was able to surf the site in English (well.... almost English anyway) It seems that Rambler has indeed a spidered index of its own and that, of course, makes it a search engine.

Re: Port.ru - it looks like directory using Yandex for web searches. Could you explain this a bit more?

This discussion is long overdue for an update of the first post with information supplied by Russian members and I'll try to do it this week.

wolf

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 36 posted 6:01 am on Mar 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

Port.Ru is not a directory too! Main page contains menu with links to its own "daughter" sites devoted to various themes. But this menu really looks like directory.

rencke

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 36 posted 7:57 am on Apr 23, 2001 (gmt 0)

The overview of Russia has been updated with the wealth of information supplied by Urus_Hyby, VladT, Gray, funsad and Wolf. This will be found in the continuation of this discussion right here [webmasterworld.com]

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