rencke
msg:497008 | 11:46 am on Oct 29, 2000 (gmt 0) |
Lycos Sweden will have a human built index with sites checked by editors within one week from submission. This was revealed by the Lycos representative at the Internet Marketing Conference in Stockholm on Oct 26-27.
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henki
msg:497009 | 12:04 pm on Nov 10, 2000 (gmt 0) |
Allt [allt.com]
Language interface: Swedish Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: No Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: Own technology Meta description used in search replies: Yes
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ? Koll [koll.se]
Language interface: Swedish Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: No Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: Inktomi, Sunet for directory Meta description used in search replies: Yes
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?
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rencke
msg:497010 | 2:46 pm on Nov 10, 2000 (gmt 0) |
The chart for Sweden has now been updated with your info henki. (I have to confess that I never heard of any of these before.) Question: You heard AV claim to be Sweden's biggest SE. But is that really correct? Consider this from MMXI: MMXI Europe - Top 10 Global Domains Sverige
August 2000
Rank/Unique visitors
1 Microsoft 1,945
2 Passagen 1,749
3 MSN 1,603
4 Telia 1,536
5 Altavista 1,364
6 Hotmail 1,317
7 Swipnet 1,157
8 Aftonbladet 1,139
9 Telenordia 1,082
10 Yahoo 1,069 As we both know, the SE Evreka.se is right on Passagen's starting page, which has 28% more visitors than AV. What is your feeling about this? Got any figures? For the non-Swedes: No 4, 7 and 9 are local ISP:s. No 2 is the country's most popular starting page owned by Scandinavia online, which also owns SE:s evreka.se, evreka.fi, kvasir.dk and kvasir.no. All use Fast technology.
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henki
msg:497011 | 7:11 pm on Nov 10, 2000 (gmt 0) |
Allt has been around for a couple of years. They work a lot on their algo. We do get decent traffic from them. Koll is the search engine of swedens largest media company Bonnier. They are about to make a big relaunch of the site in December. It is the only swedish SE that use Inktomi.
I think they will be a major player, as they will use their media empire to promote it and have the financials to support it.
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rencke
msg:497012 | 9:24 pm on Nov 10, 2000 (gmt 0) |
Henki: Have you got anything else on these two, worth mentioning?
And what is your best guess as to relative volumes for Altavista vs Evreka? On one hand, Evreka is right on the country's biggest portal, but on the other it doesn't necessarily mean that all the traffic there results in a search.
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henki
msg:497013 | 3:52 pm on Nov 12, 2000 (gmt 0) |
Jan, Spray Search is a search engine. They switched from Inktomi to FAST in january.
The directory is the old punkt.se directory. They where recently bought by Lycos, but the site will continue to operate as a separate operation.
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henki
msg:497014 | 3:58 pm on Nov 12, 2000 (gmt 0) |
Other directories worth submitting to. This directory is very popular. Submission on the first page.
[catweb.nu...] [leta.se...]
Popular shopping directory.
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rencke
msg:497015 | 6:08 pm on Nov 16, 2000 (gmt 0) |
I have moved Spray and added Catweb. Leta doesn't seem to be a general directory, so I am leaving that one out. Henki: The guy behind Catweb, must have built this by hand originally, because I have one of my subsites in there and I am sure it has not been submitted. Not by me anyway. Have you been able to figure out how Evreka ranks pages? The results are really strange. See the test I published in the Denmark thread. Repeated that for Evreka with similar results. Can't be any problem with the Fast technology, because they've got what it takes according to the technical description. Is it really just keyword density - the more the better? Pile'em on folks!
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Pernille
msg:497016 | 11:06 am on Nov 15, 2000 (gmt 0) |
Hi,
I welcome my self as a new member of this community :-) Webmasterworld seems one of the best places for people interested in the world of serch engines. I hope both being able to answer questions and get answers here. I'm courantly doing some research on the most used SE in different countries. Is there anybody who can confirm or disconfirm the following list - acording to Sweden: Passagen (SOL, Evreka)
Yahoo.se
MSN.com
AltaVista.com
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henki
msg:497017 | 12:48 pm on Nov 15, 2000 (gmt 0) |
Passagen (Everka/FAST) 46.4%
MSN 42.5%
Altavista 36.2%
Yahoo 28.3% Mediametrix for home users in Sweden August 2000.
Welcome to WmW BTW
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rencke
msg:497018 | 9:22 pm on Nov 15, 2000 (gmt 0) |
Hej Pernille og velkommen til WebMasterWorld og the European Forum. I hope you'll like it. Please feel free to help us out with the Danish engines and directories, we still have a lot of ground to cover there. I have been away travelling for a couple of days, that's why I wasn't around to greet you earlier. Thanks Henki for helping out with the figures.
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rencke
msg:497019 | 4:46 pm on Nov 17, 2000 (gmt 0) |
I have updated the Sweden chart with rankings for all engines listed. In addition, Swedes use foreign search engines as follows:
#10 nbci.com
#14 go.com
#15 aol.com
#16 looksmart.com
#18 evreka.fi
#19 google.com
#20 goto.com
#21 alltheweb.com (=Fast Search)
#23 about.com This should give a complete picture of the relative sizes. Reach drops below 10% of the surfers from #9 and down.
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henki
msg:497020 | 3:58 pm on Dec 18, 2000 (gmt 0) |
Just had a lunch with Spray. They finally let the punkt.se directory die. It happened on friday. Instead we are seeing a very small inhouse operated directory. Spray and Lycos have joined their operations as we have reported. They decided to close Lycos in Sweden and Norway, where Spray is a stronger brand name. In Germany and France they do the other way around. They also said that they will stay with Fast as their technology provider, but that they probably will switch to Lycos some time 2001.
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rencke
msg:497021 | 5:04 pm on Dec 18, 2000 (gmt 0) |
>they probably will switch to Lycos some time 2001. That's pretty sensational when you consider that Lycos owns 5% of Fast. Do you think it means that they are unhappy with Fast, or what?
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henki
msg:497022 | 5:59 pm on Dec 18, 2000 (gmt 0) |
They see good things with Fast and they see bad things with it. The final desicion to switch over to Lycos, will have to do with the group politics. It has nothing to do with what search is the better... But right now there is no such plan. It will also take some time to implement. This is their own guess on what is going to happen.
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MasterFly
msg:497023 | 4:08 pm on Jan 4, 2001 (gmt 0) |
Today I visited a new search engine called Entireweb located at [entireweb.com...] and i was amazed about it´s performance. Not very fast, but it gives you the best results i have ever seen. Does anyone know anything about this? I want to know! ;)
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rencke
msg:497024 | 7:25 pm on Jan 4, 2001 (gmt 0) |
Welcome to WebmasterWorld MasterFly. Entireweb is listed above in the main list of Swedish search engines and is not among the top 20 Swedish sites as measured by MMXI. It is a new, unknown and very small search engine which appears to index Swedish sites only - at least I couldn't find any other when I tried it. The index is extremely small - for a search that typically yields 2,3 million hits in Fast and 3,2 million in Google, Entireweb managed to come up with exactly 33. There was nothing wrong with the quality of the search replies I got, in fact they looked a lot like the first three pages from Google or Fast, but with a different ranking order. I saw several pages from sites where I lave log access, so if Entireweb actually generates referrals I will be in a position to come back and tell you more. None of these sites have been submitted, so I would guess that Entireweb may have spidered top ranking sites found in directories and/or other search engines. Just a guess though.
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NFFC
msg:497025 | 7:29 pm on Jan 4, 2001 (gmt 0) |
Hi MasterFly, I believe you have spammed us before, welcome back. >50 million documents are now searchable I don't believe you. FYI my Bookmarks folder has more than that.
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rencke
msg:497026 | 9:03 am on Jan 8, 2001 (gmt 0) |
It has since been suggested elsewhere that Entireweb is in fact just a meta search engine using a commercially available script and that it has no spidered index of its own. That would explain the good quality, but ultra short search reply answers. Can anyone verify this?
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henki
msg:497027 | 1:50 pm on Jan 8, 2001 (gmt 0) |
You are right as usual, Jan. Here is the November list of most visited search engines and portal pages for November. (Sweden)(NielsenNetRating) 1. AltaVista.com
2. MSN
3. Passagen
4. AltaVista.se
5. Torget
6. Startsidan.telia.se
7. Yahoo.se
8. Everyday
9. Lycos.se
10. Yahoo.com
11. se.excite.com
12. telenordia.se
13. Euroseek
14. google.yahoo.com
15. nbci.com
16. tele2.com
17. Netscape.com
18. Goto.com
19. go2net.com
20. terra.es
21. leta.se
22. tjohoo.se
23. looksmart.altavista.com
24. google.com
25. libertysurf.se
26. evreka.com
27. Gohip.com
28. clickheretofind.com
29. Catweb.nu
30. looksmart.com
31. search.icq.com
32. Bestoftheweb
33. search.mp3.com Amended on the basis of additional information from henki below. Edited by: rencke
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rencke
msg:497028 | 2:18 pm on Jan 8, 2001 (gmt 0) |
Thanks Henki. I am suprised to see that Google hasn't made it on its own in Nielsen's NetRatings yet. Just via Yahoo. They were #19 with MMXI in August. With their clean Swedish interface and excellent search replies, they really deserve better. Have you got any explanation for this? Btw: At what point in your list does reach drop below 10%?
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Rumbas
msg:497029 | 8:51 pm on Jan 8, 2001 (gmt 0) |
Things have happend lately at Evreka towards a more SEO friendly approach. Kvasir - the search engine for Scandinavia Online in Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland has implemented 3 three nice features avaiable to all users - yet. A keyword research tool which shows you the number of searches done in a short period (it has not been up and running that long).
Online searches done right now - see what people are looking for, and finnaly a toplist for the 50 most used search terms including rising and falling terms. Keyword suggetion tool a la Goto:
[evreka.passagen.se...] Keyword key hole - look at online searches. Try punching a term in a the front, and see it appear in the key hole results right after!
[evreka.passagen.se...] Kvasir top 50 and falling/rising terms pr. week:
[evreka.passagen.se...] It's actually pretty nice and it work's on [kvasir.dk...]
[kvasir.no...]
[evreka.fi...] and
[evreka.passagen.se...] as well :)
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rencke
msg:497030 | 10:32 am on Jan 9, 2001 (gmt 0) |
Tusen tack, Rumbas! The Popularimeter is a great new tool for Swedish webmasters and will help them to select the best keywords. Takes a bit of work and some imagination, but at the end they will be richly rewarded. The spy page "Spanaren" has been there for a long time now, but the Top 50 is new. I wonder how useful that is, though. It seems that they have taken the search phrases apart so adjectives like "Svenska" (Swedish) and "gratis" (free) make it to the top on their own without any context. I hope they stop doing this, because the first several hundreds of search phrases are single words anyway. All this means is that they are putting meaningless adjectives to the top, pushing real searches down.
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henki
msg:497031 | 11:09 am on Jan 10, 2001 (gmt 0) |
It is based on a panel and I would not put to much weight on the order after the 17th placement. I also subscribe to MMXI/Relevant Knowledge and they present a little different list. The Nielsen panel also only look at home users! However, I compiled it from a list and missed Google.com that should be number 24, just before libertysurf. Thanks for the headsup Jan!
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henki
msg:497032 | 11:26 am on Jan 10, 2001 (gmt 0) |
Jan, AltaVista is the largest SE in Sweden. MSN and Microsoft is getting a lot of traffic. I see at least three expanations for that: If you type a word into the URL address field, you are taken to a MSN search page, when using MS Explorer. The second reason is that MSN is giving away hosting, also to adlutsites. That has lead to an explotion of private and adultsites on MSN. Hotmail traffic is included in this figures. I do not see that much swedish traffic from MSN. Actually Google deliver more. You go figure!
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rencke
msg:497033 | 12:33 pm on Jan 10, 2001 (gmt 0) |
> It is based on a panel [Evreka top list]
Jeez! Why on earth would then want to do that, when they have their own log? No comprende, senor! Can you figure it out? > If you type a word into the URL address field, you are taken to a MSN search page
Thanks Henki! I had absolutely no idea and always thought that the huge number of referrals we get was because IE5 might come with MSN preset as home page. Well, what do you know! If you don't see much traffic from MSN, then it must be because your customers are smarter than to type a search phrase into the address field. PS: Added google.com to your entry.
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henki
msg:497034 | 2:11 pm on Jan 10, 2001 (gmt 0) |
No not Evrekas top list, I was refering to the MMXI and Nielsen reports. They tend to be very unreliable after the top 20 sites because of that. Nielsen only monitor home users. Rather expensive too. Upside is that they measure all the time and all countries. So you can study trends and differences between countries. They also group start pages / search pages in a special nefty report. I do see a lot of US traffic from MSN, but not from Sweden. Oh yes, Entireweb is a curry guide clone operated from Oskarström in Sweden. Not an original search engine, a meta engine allright. Much like my own wwwl.seekinall.com
Someone from Entireweb is posting in different fora under different names praising it. Catweb.nu is built and run by a young lady working with Framfab. It was originally her own bookmarks, that turned into a popular directory. Maby not so strange that your site is there Jan?
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rencke
msg:497035 | 3:19 pm on Jan 10, 2001 (gmt 0) |
Vansinnig och omgiven av dåliga rådgivare kan jag ej annat än beklaga Erik XIV. ("Insane and surrounded by bad advisors, I can only deplore Erik XIV." From school essay by a young Swede in the early part of the 20th century. *The* classical example of incorrect referencing.) If Entireweb is a meta search engine, I guess they should be removed from the list here. I have tried to avoid meta search, since you cannot submit to them, nor optimize for them. Perhaps MasterFly, who appears to be closely connected to Entireweb - in a managerial capacity (?) - wants to give us his opinion on this matter. Several of the engines you listed yesterday have more than one listing e.g. Evreka and Google. What would their ranking be if you add their listings together?
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rencke
msg:497036 | 10:38 pm on Feb 7, 2001 (gmt 0) |
The Bonnier Media Group has announced today that their portal and search engine "Koll" will be shut down.
[expressen.se...] (in Swedish)
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