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newriver




msg:475562
 10:56 pm on Mar 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

Anybody else done a whois search on dmoz.org

Accoring to a search on dmoz.org [searchengineworld.com] expires on Jan 2/2002

Looks like somebody is in-line on snapnames for it already. I can't beleive they would let this expire.

 

click watcher




msg:475563
 11:11 pm on Mar 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

Domain Name: DMOZ.ORG

Registrant:
Netscape Communications Corp.
501 East Middlefield Rd
Mountain View, CA 94043
US

Created on..............: Aug 01, 2000
Expires on..............: Jan 02, 2002
Record Last Updated on..: Aug 15, 2000
Registrar...............: America Online, Inc.
[whois.registrar.aol.com...]

but aol also say

Access to America Online, Inc.'s WHOIS service is for information
purposes. America Online, Inc. makes this service available "AS
IS" and does not guarantee its accuracy or availability.

probably their little joke, don't they own dmoz??

Brett_Tabke




msg:475564
 11:42 pm on Mar 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'm sure they know, but I passed it along to rich just in case.

EliteWeb




msg:475565
 11:53 pm on Mar 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

Could this help explain why I havnt been able to access the site all the time ;)

dbowers




msg:475566
 4:18 am on Mar 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

Luckily, dmoz.org is owned by AOL, so they won't let things fall though the cracks.

Domain Name: AOL.COM
Registrant:
America Online, Inc.
22000 AOL Way
Dulles, VA 20166
US
Created on..............: Nov 22, 1999
Expires on..............: Nov 22, 2001
Record Last Updated on..: Nov 23, 1999

D'oh!

Brett_Tabke




msg:475567
 4:25 am on Mar 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

Whoa. Nice catch dbowers.

Dmoz has been notified. (I don't think they knew...)

skibum




msg:475568
 4:38 am on Mar 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

Dmoz.com is also expired - Jan 2, 2002.

zechariah




msg:475569
 5:54 am on Mar 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

buy the domains & redirect to webmasterworld. :)
& watch the hits rise.

Brett_Tabke




msg:475570
 6:03 am on Mar 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

hehe - I put in for a transfer for aol.com hehe. Somehow, I don't think it will be approved, but it may get someones attention.

mbauser2




msg:475571
 6:04 am on Mar 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

whois.compuserve.com is also reporting aol.net, aolsearch.com, compuserve.com, compuserve.org, compuserve.net, dmoz.com, netscape.com, netscape.org, and netscape.net as expired.

Nearly all of them have August 15, 2000 listed for the "Last Updated" date. whois.internic.net, on the other hand, lists "Last Updated" dates a year or more later (in many cases, very close to the supposed expiration date, as typically happens when domains are renewed).

I'm running out of AOL/Netscape domains to check (Hey, chefmoz.org is OK), but I'm pretty sure this is just a case of a broken whois server at whois.compuserve.com.

PsychoTekk




msg:475572
 6:15 am on Mar 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

i agree that it might be a technical problem rather than a registration problem
btw, whois.registrar.aol.com is whois.compuserve.com ;)

amoore




msg:475573
 6:19 am on Mar 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

well, it's up to the registrar to return them to the available pool after they expire, isn't it? Since they are the registrar for themselves, they probably don't feel the need to keep paying themselves to update the date. It is a little weird, though.

dbowers




msg:475574
 8:23 am on Mar 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hopefully we're not straying too off-topic.
Snapnames has a nice graphic of the removal process, explaining that it's up to the registrar (here, AOL/Compuserve) to expire and delete the name:
[url]http://www.snapnames.com/deleteprocess.html[/url]

The ICANN registrar agreement binding AOL requires that their whois server be updated "at least daily" -- I doubt they're doing that, and I doubt ICANN or the registry cares.

cfel2000




msg:475575
 8:32 am on Mar 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

Well own up. Who used snapnames to try and register aol.com and dmoz.org? Very funny but you wont get the names.

engine




msg:475576
 8:43 am on Mar 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

It's not possible to be 100% sure about a domain availability until you actually get it.

I've often seen a search turn up an available domain, only to find later that the domain IS registered elsewhere.

JonB




msg:475577
 11:11 am on Mar 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

i just checked one domain that doesnt show up. It says Record expires on 18-Dec-2001. BUT whois sTILL return as NOT available! why is that? I dont see this as "fair".

Jon

cfel2000




msg:475578
 11:16 am on Mar 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

ISP's normally leave the domain unavaliable for some time after they expire to give the customer a final chance to renew and sometimes to stop then registering it elsewhere without paying the ISP.

pat_s




msg:475579
 7:32 pm on Mar 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

There's one I'd like very much that expired last November and is still not available. The .net version of it, which would be OK, too, was expired for about a year before it was renewed by the original owners. Neither has ever been developed as a website. So, the odds of getting AOL are probably not great. :)

msgraph




msg:475580
 7:43 pm on Mar 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

Remember this? [news.com.com] :)

kctipton




msg:475581
 12:09 am on Mar 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Yes I do. That was pretty amazing.

Hazza




msg:475582
 8:27 pm on Mar 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Did they ever pay up?

Brett_Tabke




msg:475583
 8:44 pm on Mar 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

Washington Post story citing WebmasterWorld:
[newsbytes.com...]

bobriggs




msg:475584
 8:59 pm on Mar 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

At its meeting in Ghana earlier this month, ICANN's board resolved to develop a proposal for implementing a 30-day minimum grace period for expired domains. ICANN's president has been authorized by the board to convene a technical steering group to write the "Redemption Grace Period Proposal.

Of course, if it were one of my domains, it would have been deleted and offered to the public.

What does 30-day minimum grace period mean? 30 days for me, multiples of 30 days for the big hitters? I think everyone should play by the same rules.

[BTW] - congrats to WebmasterWorld for the plug from the Post.

Brett_Tabke




msg:475585
 5:14 am on Mar 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

For those playing along with us on the home version, here is an Icannwatch.org story about it:

[icannwatch.org...]

Lisa_Lia




msg:475586
 2:44 am on Mar 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hmmm, Well The registry will bill the registrar for another year if they pass 45 days. So I would say that because they are the Registrant and Registrar they are quite safe. Only the Registrar can detete the domain. And because they are the same company I would supect they are very safe. Very amusing. Just think they never have to change the whois again.

Fastlegs




msg:475587
 7:46 pm on Mar 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

It appears that dmoz.net is trying to emulate dmoz.org. Dmoz.net is not registered to AOL. I'm surprised AOL did not trademark the name "dmoz".

Mike_Mackin




msg:475588
 8:01 pm on Mar 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

Looks like they just took the ODP dump and give the attribution..
How old it that data?
The search fuction is OLD

Could not connect to Infoseek
Northern Light
Could not connect to Snap!

mbauser2




msg:475589
 10:37 pm on Mar 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

How old it that data?

The search banner may be out of date, but the directory data on dmoz.net is current. They appear to be proxying data from the live dmoz.org site using a scraper script.

So, dmoz.net is lame and rude.

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