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How open is ODP !!
They told me your company is not regional enough
Ove




msg:471732
 12:28 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

How open is ODP

I submit my own url and two others yesterday in the regional category.

My company and the other two are in the village i live.

One of them making beds and the other one have an jewellery shop and i do what i do but we are not regional enough to be in the Db.

I got many clients here were i live but we can not count to get in the odp

I think this is weird or ??

/Ove

 

IanTurner




msg:471733
 12:36 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

Tis remarkable - mostly you get kicked for trying to get into a too general category!!

Ove




msg:471734
 12:38 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

My site is not listed there

And what i have heard you can get in the regional and the category where the site belong

/Ove

IanTurner




msg:471735
 12:58 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

On the whole I find it easier to get into the specific regional categories, than into general areas.

UK categories seem to be fairly rapid response times.

The annoying thing for me about the ODP is you get no indication of whether a site has passed/failed review. With the potentially long turnaround time on some categories this is quite difficult to manage

Did they come back to you and tell you that you had not been listed?

all the best
Ian

Ove




msg:471736
 1:01 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

Yes i got a mail and they told me we are not regional enough to be in the Db

/Ove

paynt




msg:471737
 1:15 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

Ove - are the sites set up for online shopping or do they have an actual storefront that a person can walk into? Online shopping is very iffy. Also, you may need to submit into a larger region if you have different storefronts within more than one city. In the US that may mean a county or region listing instead of a specific city.

Ove




msg:471738
 1:20 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

The jewellery shop can you walk in to and walk by the web

The bed site you walk into that one to.

My own site you can walk to me to.

The regional category its just 9 sites there and there is just 8000 who live here

/Ove

bird




msg:471739
 1:54 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

Yes i got a mail and they told me we are not regional enough to be in the Db

There's no such thing as "not regional enough to be in the Db". If the sites were really not specific enough to the locality to be listed there (which your description makes unlikely), then the editor is supposed not to delete the submissions, but to send them to the relevant topical categories for review. Only having heard your side of the story, it sounds like the editor in question was acting against the guidelines. Sites that have a physical presence somewhere should normally get a listing in that locality, unless they're part of a chain (eg. the local Mc'D won't get listed seperately from the main site).

Errors are being made all the time, within the ODP and without. As most often, your recourse is to talk to an editor in a parent cat, and have them review the process. When phrasing your e-mail, please remember that the refusal probably hasn't happened out of malice, but more likely because the editor in question may be new to the directory, and didn't know better (yet). The ODP is a highly complex environment, and can be almost as confusing from the inside as from the outside. If you ask a civilized question, remembering that the editors are your friends, then you should have no problem getting some legitimate sites into the right categories.

Ove




msg:471740
 2:36 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thank you all for the tips

I am going to wright to them and ask why. Maybe he just had a bad day.

/Ove

backus




msg:471741
 3:31 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

I think the point is that Ove DID receive a mail from an editor not letting his site in because he didn't feel it was "regional enough".

Now I keep hearing from people on here about how the editors are your friends, but very rarely see proof. I have a friend who is an editor. The guy's an idiot. He became an editor for fun so that he could screw around with people's listings.

That is the way it is. Ove, no editor should have a bad day. As far as you're concerned the editor should be unbiased by any problems he/she is having.

I'm going to get told by people that this doesn't happen. How editors are unbiased, but I have a brain (a damn good one at that) and I have eyes. Very rarely have I seen an editor do his/her job correctly.

IanTurner




msg:471742
 3:38 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

I think the fact that his editor gave a response and in less than one day is fantastic service. Okay it may not be the response Ove wanted but at least he knows the site was rejected and why and can move forward with the process of getting the site listed.

Ove




msg:471743
 3:41 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

<I think the fact that his editor gave a response and in less than one day is fantastic service>

Yes its the first time i get a mail from them so iam happy for that part and i have mailed them now we will see how it will end.

Thanks
/Ove

DaveN




msg:471744
 3:42 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

It took two attempts to get an offical UK city site listed.
Funny because i got the didn't feel it was "regional enough".

Then I found out that the editor worked for a webcompany in town just down the road (30 miles). and they where trying to promote there site.

How can the offical a City Site not be regional enough?

I agree with Backus Very rarely have I seen an editor do his/her job correctly.

It's not about the ODP it's about promoting your businesses and mess with others

DaveN

backus




msg:471745
 3:43 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

If the editor did his job properly then maybe he wouldn't have to send an email. He's probably getting off on the fact that he's rejecting the poor fellow.

backus




msg:471746
 3:50 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

DaveN, I was promoting a Czech travel agency. It was one of the number one travel agencies in the country. Perfect site, no spam, nothing wrong with it in the slightest. It was denied. Then I found out that the editor worked for the competition. When I wrote a letter of complaint, I got told that the editor was doing his job correctly. How prey tell? The higher editor turned out to be the one for the BDSM section anyway? WTF does that have to do with travelling in Prague??? (Don't say it Nicebloke!)

DaveN




msg:471747
 4:01 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

Your right again Backus did a quick search for BDSM and didn't find one travel site to Prague in the serps ;)

DaveN

Tapolyai




msg:471748
 4:06 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

The problem with free editors is that you can test how good they follow policy in the objective areas, but never in the subjective ones.

I have ran into several friend editors at various publicly edited DBs, and they are little tirans with egotistical and territorial issues. Some think that a submission to a category is an insult to them.

Some actually take up categories because they HATE that category!

paynt




msg:471749
 4:34 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

Ok, I am ticked...

>..Very rarely have I seen an editor do his/her job correctly. >

I take exception to that comment. There are many very good editors who are not only dedicated to their editing responsibilities at ODP but frequently take the time to answer questions around here. I would probably be out of line if I pointed out that comments like that I perceive as being rude and uncalled for. I for one am a tremendously good editor with nearly 8000 edits under my belt, which probably amounts to thousands of businesses I have personally contributed to helping.

I wish I could remember the quote about being part of the solution not a part of the problem. Or maybe there's one about leading by example not criticism.

I apologize Brett and Laisha as moderator, for reacting so strongly about this but I am so tired of people standing on the outside and because they donít get what they want, throwing stones at thousands of really good people who are getting involved and trying to make a difference. I am not the ODPís biggest fan and in fact I am quite irritated at the actions of a few that affect many. I do what I can, in the most positive way I can and I stand by my principles. Again, feel free to edit out my post if you wish but I think I have just as much a right to be heard as those who throw stones.

backus




msg:471750
 4:45 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

Well good for you Paynt, but I'm afraid you are one of the few. As I said, we all have eyes, we all have brains. Whatever comment you come up with doesn't change the fact that this happens. ODP is flawed, nothing you say will change that.

grnidone




msg:471751
 4:53 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

>Well good for you Paynt, but I'm afraid you are one of the few.

I don't think ODP is the problem. I haven't had a trouble getting any of my client's sites into the directory.

Ove, can you please send me a sticky mail with the specific information? Maybe if I see the specifics of what you are trying to do, I can give you some pointers.

bird




msg:471752
 4:58 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

I have a friend who is an editor. The guy's an idiot. He became an editor for fun so that he could screw around with people's listings.

This is the list of all ODP meta editors [dmoz.org]. Any one of them will accept reports about apparent abuse or other disregard of the editing guidelines, and investigate the matter. If they find the complaint confirmed, then they will try to educate the editor in question. Those who refuse to learn and mend their ways will get booted eventually. You can either rant around here at WebmasterWorld, or you can help the ODP to get rid of the problems. Report what you find, and it will eventually get fixed.

no editor should have a bad day.

Like you never do? The tone of your posts here makes your points much less convincing than they could be.

How editors are unbiased

No human being is unbiased. This is especially true for those who submit their customer's sites to the ODP... ;)

Very rarely have I seen an editor do his/her job correctly.

I don't know which types of categories you're watching. Remember that there are around 7000-8000 active editors, most of which do their job quietly and to the best of their capabilities. It is absolutely clear that the bad apples will stick out, so that will be the only ones you happen to notice. It's also in the nature of things, that the Shopping branch will attract the most abusers, and the Regional branch will attract the most inexperienced editors.

Some actually take up categories because they HATE that category!

I don't know what kind of people you hang out with, and I'm not sure if I really want to know. In the vast majority of cases, I find the exact opposite to be true at the ODP (except for those heroic souls who tackle nightmarisch corners of the directory such as the categories for web design services, or personal homepages).

grnidone




msg:471753
 5:14 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

Ladies and Gentlemen,

ODP is a passionate subject for many people. But the point of the discussion is that Ove is having trouble getting into ODP, so let's try to help him instead of turning this into a boxing match.

If you want to argue about the good and the bad of ODP, please take it offline. Flame wars invite spammers and we try to keep that to a minimum around here so you can get good information instead of wading through pointless posts.

Thanks.

paynt




msg:471754
 5:30 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

Of course you are right grnidone, and again I mean no offense with my comments. I have already offered to help Ove personally and did what I could to point the right direction through sticky. I feel confident that Ove has a roadmap now to follow.

Submitters do have questions about regional vs the main directory and US regional vs the world regions. There are different submission policies for each. Itís best to know whatís expected before submitting, to save on any potential problems down the road. The most important is selecting the right category to begin with and I believe thatís true no matter which category you are submitting to. This does not mean the highest category in the hierarchy either, it means the one your site is best suited to.

Some links that may be helpful for this discussion

How can I report suspected abuse of the directory? [dmoz.org]
Submitting Your Site [dmoz.org]
Open Directory Help Central [dmoz.org]
Guidelines For Submissions - Regional [dmoz.org]

Brett_Tabke




msg:471755
 5:46 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

It's no accident that those who voice complaints about the ODP can be pin pointed. They are usually affiliate or ecomm sites.

Out of the 200+(somewhere in that area), I've had less than a handfull of listings denied. A couple should have as I tried to get a site listed before it was ready. Of all those, I've only had two that I felt should have gotten into the ODP and were denied because of editor bias. Two out of Two hundred? I can live with a 1% difference of opinion.

I'll maintain forever, that any quality site can get into the ODP. The definition of quality varies from person to person.

Open does not imply that they take all comers. It *is* a human review process. There is no other directory that comes close to allowing in the sites that the ODP does.

If there is a problem with your ODP submission, you still have the right to go to have Yahoo or Looksmart review the site for just a few hundred dollars.

Ove




msg:471756
 8:37 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

There is no problem anymore.

Thanks Paynt and every body else.

/Ove

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