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linuxguy

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Msg#: 2468 posted 11:19 pm on Jul 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I been triying for a long time to get a dmoz listing for a very high quality site of mine. Itīs totally clean, and contains 300 pages of original content. I was able to get a link to it from yahoo express. Is there any way you could express submit a website in DMOZ? A fee should be fine.

 

kevinpate

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Msg#: 2468 posted 2:39 pm on Jul 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

ODP does not offer either a pay for review or a pay for listing service. There are other directories which use those particular processes.

In general terms, the pay for review/listing directories are smaller and lesser known than the ODP, but with an appropriate amount of study, you can determine which, if any, of those directories provide a reasonable value for your goals.

cbpayne

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Msg#: 2468 posted 10:48 pm on Jul 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

I been triying for a long time to get a dmoz listing

Everytime I see a post like that I cringe .... what have you been doing when you say "trying"? If by, trying, have you submitted more than once? - then that may be the problem. Everytime you resubmit it generally overwrites the previous submission with the new date and puts you at the back of the pool of sites if the editor sorts them by date of submission (most do). You put yourself at a disadvantage.

If you mean by trying, you have been emailing editors, then requests for a preferential review are, at best, ignored.

Once you have submitted once and get the confirmation screen, there is nothing more you can do (except improve your site).

robotsdobetter

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Msg#: 2468 posted 3:22 am on Jul 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is there any way you could express submit a website in DMOZ?
Sure, if you find the right editor :)
gimmster

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Msg#: 2468 posted 11:19 am on Jul 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is there any way you could express submit a website in DMOZ? A fee should be fine.

That would be a simply wonderful way to get the site and any other site you are associated with permanently banned from listing.

foxtunes

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2468 posted 11:26 am on Jul 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sorry to be cynical, but they should flush that place out and start again.....Why not take paid submissions, with high editorial standards?

windharp

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2468 posted 11:46 am on Jul 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Because other directories already do that, and DMOZ has choosen not to.

hutcheson

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Msg#: 2468 posted 12:41 am on Jul 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

>Sorry to be cynical, but they should flush that place out and start again.

No need to wait for the flush: you can start again right now. Set your own rules and procedures. Hire professionals, recruit volunteers, buy slaves, assign students, rent cannon fodder from the Peoples Liberation Army, whatever.

And it's only cynicism if you're acting idealistically yourself: otherwise it's just contemptuous misanthropy.

rfgdxm1

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Msg#: 2468 posted 4:51 am on Jul 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

>No need to wait for the flush: you can start again right now. Set your own rules and procedures. Hire professionals, recruit volunteers, buy slaves, assign students, rent cannon fodder from the Peoples Liberation Army, whatever.

LOL. ;) True. If he wants a better directory, nothing is preventing him from doing so.

Rx Recruiters

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Msg#: 2468 posted 5:54 am on Jul 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

You can pay if you find the right editor. I know of a site that got every single page of his website listed in the directory - for a fairly reasonable price. Not only that, he got his closest competitors taken off the directory!

For what it's worth, I have been waiting 3 years for a listing for one of my sites. The other two took a few weeks to be listed, but that was "years" ago when they were submitted. It is all according to the editor. You best hope that the editor isn't also a webmaster of a site in the particular category they are editing, I've found this to be the case in many instances as well.

A better plan than a paid listing would be to get rid of all the "volunteer" editors, and start over paying pay the editors a salary. Maybe hire some college students to edit the directory as a summer or part-time job. Doesn't AOL still own the directory? It would be a good internship opportunity, and be MUCH fairer than it is now!

victor

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Msg#: 2468 posted 6:13 am on Jul 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

You can pay if you find the right editor. I know of a site that got every single page of his website listed in the directory - for a fairly reasonable price. Not only that, he got his closest competitors taken off the directory!

A claim like that needs names, dates, and places to make it credible.

But WMW is not the place for that.

What was the ODP's response when you reported the issue via their abuse channels?

Johan007

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2468 posted 9:10 am on Jul 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have been an editor of DMOZ for over 3 years and my own website is still not listed after 4 years!

Relax, just submit and forget. You will not get many visitors from Dmoz nor is it a magic bullet for page rank.

harbs

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2468 posted 10:24 am on Jul 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

You can pay if you find the right editor. I know of a site that got every single page of his website listed in the directory - for a fairly reasonable price. Not only that, he got his closest competitors taken off the directory!

Unfreakingbelievable! Is there a secret handshake that we all need to know about?

nzmatt

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2468 posted 11:31 am on Jul 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

can you pay to get in dmoz?

Everyone pays - blood sweat and tears... :)0

cbpayne

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2468 posted 11:51 am on Jul 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is there a secret handshake that we all need to know about?

No, its just the whiners and trash talkers making claims they can't back up.

jenkers

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2468 posted 12:40 pm on Jul 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I just got a brand-new site listed. It took 7 days - I don't know anyone at ODP - and have had sites rejected in the past. Just thought it might be worth saying...

Rx Recruiters

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2468 posted 2:28 am on Jul 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>>>No, its just the whiners and trash talkers making claims they can't back up.<<<<

Believe it if you want, don't believe it if you want, it doesn't matter to me. One thing that shouldn't be tolerated on WWW is people who make personal attacks.

I'm just telling you what my "friend" told me he did. When it happened (the pay for inclusion), I posted something about on JimWorld, a DMOZ editor saw my post and e-mailed me and asked for the domain name, I told her, and she verified independently that the guy had EVERY page of his website (over 100 pages)listed in the DMOZ, and at the same time his pages were listed, a competitor was taken off by the same editor. Did she do anything about it - I don't know.

As I said, I've been waiting over 3 years for my "big" site to be listed - an inner page was listed for about 3 months, then taken off. My other two big sites were listed inside of a month or so.

Anyway - I felt I had to respond to the personal attack - I am not a whiner or trash-talker - I could care less about someone paying to be included in the DMOZ! I just posted it FYI!

Rx Recruiters

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2468 posted 3:00 am on Jul 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Anyway - you are naive to believe that stuff like that doesn't happen - In a perfect world, it wouldn't, but everyone of us knows that greed rules some people's lives.

hutcheson

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2468 posted 7:45 am on Jul 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

It is easy for people to get into the mode of "I sold a used car once -- why does GM have so many more listings than me, when they compete with me?"

There are legitimate reasons for editors to do extensive deeplinking of sites. (Although not for submitting extensive deeplinks--that's abuse pure and simple). I don't know what case you're talking about, but (in several cases I remember) the meta-editors CLOSELY reviewed specific cases where editors were deeplinking their own sites -- and agreed after extensive discussion that it was proper.

In those discussions, "who was competing with whom?" was not a question. It simply doesn't matter. Because the listing is based on unique content useful for the surfer, not as a reward for sheer amount of content. So what sometimes happens (and what definitely OUGHT to happen!) is ... the site with "marginally more" information gets deeplinked all over creation, and the site with "not quite all that information" gets one link at most, or even no links at all. That's not abuse. That's focusing on what's useful for the surfer.

Since that is true, the facts that you mentioned to not (all by themselves) add up to evidence of abuse, at most it is an indication that someone might want to review the global picture.

Of course, we don't know what happened -- maybe it was abuse and was cleaned up, maybe it wasn't abuse at all, maybe the internal editor forums are still trying to hash out exactly how best to focus limited resources on providing what is most useful for the surfer.

hutcheson

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2468 posted 7:48 am on Jul 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Oh, trust me, I know abuse happens. I'm privy to some of the investigations. It's a fairly rare day that someone doesn't lose editing privileges over it.

And outside abuse reports are a good source of information about problem areas. Not a perfect source -- most of them are probably bogus. But a significant minority of them constitute useful information. That's why editors often give them such a high priority.

texasville

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2468 posted 9:04 pm on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Oh, trust me, I know abuse happens. I'm privy to some of the investigations. It's a fairly rare day that someone doesn't lose editing privileges over it."

Hallelujah! Hutch, Thank you. That is the first time that I have ever heard an editor admit that. I really appreciate that bit of insight. Believe it or not, I feel the general public has a much different view of the workings of odp. Most think abuse is ignored mostly and almost never pursued. If the odp would be a little more open about that, then the rest of us would feel they are making an effort to provide integrity for the directory.

angiolo

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2468 posted 7:09 am on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

My suggestion is: considering the category you want to submit, have a look at the Top category Editor profiles.

You may find an Editor that is a SEO: you can contact that SEO company. In the SEO tasks usually there is a submission to Dmoz. The Editor will not abuse for that: if your site has good content, the Editor will list it as any other good sites.

I noted that Editors that state in their profile to be SEO, usually do a great job: they know where to submit your site, special outside Dmoz....

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