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Seeding content to a new directory
How long does it normally take
brickwall

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2448 posted 7:14 pm on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hello guys.

I just opened my first directory site. It is targetted on a very popular web marketing sector. As it is new, its empty - I mean aside from the couple of dozen links I managed to seed it myself.

I do plan to regularly put links in there on a daily basis but in your experience, how long does it take to get a 1k-2k link count from submissions? I do not require recips and I do have a rather high approval standard. Assume the promotions skill of a newbie and a market large enough to provide a potential of 10k links.

Thanks.

 

Event_King



 
Msg#: 2448 posted 1:53 am on Jun 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

'Targeted on a popular niche' what the hell does that mean. Well, my concern is you've said it's empty? You need to get it filled before promoting anything, because at the moment anyone visiting and not finding stuff, will make em click away. And you don't have a resource to sell, as it's empty.

That's your first problem.

To be truthful, have you really thought about this before taking the plunge? It's just web companies go bust every day, and if the idea is not sound - then it will fail. Filling it will take you years (unless you use Google feed etc), but then everyone will know you're using Google, ODP etc and that will put a rather large nail in the coffin. Not good. hmmmmm.

To get 2000 companies in there, is going to take about 2 years. But you're better off getting your own results/clients in there anyway, as it looks more professional than these 'made for adsense' efforts - and people will take you more seriously for it.

Secondly, you mention you lack of 'promotion skill', I take it you don't have a business education?, er, that's going to make life promoting this thing tough.

You will need other skills to ie, sales, advertising, basic understanding of finance, creativity etc etc and I feel taking on such a responsibility and expecting this to 'make it' is a risk and without knowing even something as basic like filling it.... You see where I'm going with this.

Have you talked this through with anyone? Or did you see other directories and think, yeah, it's easy?

But, if it's a really good idea it could have potential for greater things. But the fact your post reads like you don't know what you're doing - I'd think about the actual concept/theme of the directory a bit more. But it sounds like you've built it already?

So I'll wish you all the best with it.

Good luck

I do plan to regularly put links in there on a daily basis but in your experience, how long does it take to get a 1k-2k link count from submissions? I do not require recips and I do have a rather high approval standard. Assume the promotions skill of a newbie and a market large enough to provide a potential of 10k links.

ska_demon

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2448 posted 8:03 am on Jun 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I put my first directory up about 4 months ago now. It to is targetted towards a competetive market. Initially I seeded it with 100 or so affiliate links and links to authority sites. It didn't take long to start getting submissions. I now get 10 or 15 submissions per week so like the guy above said, it's gonna take a couple of years to get 1 or 2k entries. I take time to scour the web for suitable companies that I think deserve a place in the directory and add them myself. It takes time to build a quality directory. Anyone can rip off a feed from somewhere and replicate every other directory but it takes effort and patience to build a useful resource.

Ska

dickbaker

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2448 posted 10:05 pm on Jun 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Here's my experience, for what it's worth:

I have a directory that offers full-page descriptions of widget stores. I also have roughly 1,000 (and growing) pages of individual widgets from major manufacturers.

Visitors to the site can search for the stores by the brands of widgets they carry, by the accessories or services that the stores offer, by clicking on a star on a state map, or just by selecting a state and viewing all the stores I have.

I started calling stores in May of last year to offer them a free trial. During that time, I got some emails from visitors complaining that there weren't enough stores on the site. I explained that it would take time. I knew it was a dicey situation, and it wasn't what I'd planned for. But what else to do?

By the time the search engines picked up my site, I had many more stores on the site.

When my site hit the first page of all the SE's back in March, I had roughly 300 stores on the site. That seems to be enough to satisfy most people. My goal is 1,000 stores paying me $100 a year to be on the site. That's going to take time.

Meanwhile, I'm getting about 100,000 visitors a month, which is a good selling point. As I add more brands of widgets, that will increase traffic.

Right now the site is bringing in about $1000 to $1500 a month. So, I've had to take a part-time job with a photo studio here in town to cover expenses while I continue to grow the site.

I'm fortunate in that I don't have any real competition, since no other site does what mine does in my particular niche. There are directories that give a store's name, city, phone and URL, but that's about it.

As others have said, it isn't easy. I've worked harder on this than just about anything else in my life. But I'm now seeing things start to pay off, and I'm confident the site will succeed.

If you're building a duplicate of what's already out there, you're going to have a tough time.

Sticky me with the URL if you're so inclined. I'd be more than happy to give you my thoughts, the value of which can be measure in cents. ;)

brickwall

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2448 posted 6:25 am on Jun 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks for all your inputs guys. Really appreciated.

Here's the progress so far.

A few days after doing minimal promotion, I already received about 100 submissions. The Googlebot and MSNbot had already indexed the homepage and the directory is already listing under its name as search phrase (but not with any other relevant keywords). Also acquired a couple of dozen IBLs contributing around 80% of the traffic. Getting at least 50 uniques per day for 4 days straight now.

I think this project was well thought out before starting it, at least as far as my newbie capacity can manage. The problem now is the quality of the links Iam getting. I planned to be very strict with accepting sites only with very good descriptions attached to it but I had to lower my standards a lot in order to seed the directory faster and worry about fixing this later.

Once I get at least 1k links, Iam now planning to announce an "improve your descriptions or get de-listed" impetus week (sort of) so everyone who posted their links will improve their site descriptions.

Has anybody done this? Will this work, in your opinion?

ska_demon

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2448 posted 8:01 am on Jun 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

improve your descriptions or get de-listed

I would do this more along the line of "here is a great chance to increase visitors to your site. You now have the oppotunity to enhance your description for FREE!"

Just my 2 cents

Ska

sem4u

WebmasterWorld Senior Member sem4u us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2448 posted 8:09 am on Jun 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Let webmasters submit their sites for free first and/or offer premium listings/expediated reviews for a small-ish fee.

brickwall

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2448 posted 11:42 am on Jun 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

... "here is a great chance to increase visitors to your site. You now have the oppotunity to enhance your description for FREE!"

I like that very much. Thanks ska.

thehittmann

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2448 posted 1:26 pm on Jun 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've had my directory up and running for about 2 years I would guess to have around 1k links all together now but I started with around 500 that I found on my own. Initally it was hosted on yahoo geocities (free listing). I managed to get the #1 spot of a 8 million hits for a keyword search on google. Traffic was great but submissions were few and far between. The site was going nowhere and I couldnt do a lot with it on geocites. A couple of months ago when geocities introduced more ads I pulled the pin and I took the plunge into buying and setting up my own server. I totally changed the website and I've resubmitted to all the major SE's. i sent out lots of emails to the sites linking to the old site took down the old site and just left a link to the new site there for about a month. Traffic on the new site has been slow as expected but I've already had around 10 new submission just in the last few days. So to make a long story short if you start Empty it will take a long time...... a very long time before the numbers are around 2k.

thehittmann

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2448 posted 1:27 pm on Jun 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Another thing I forgot to mention I check for dead links site wide every month. If a site is found dead at this time it is removed from the directory.

Event_King



 
Msg#: 2448 posted 1:12 am on Jul 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

Time for a reality check people. I've just finished going through a list of 1900 portals, directories and SE's of where to submit my site and have noticed one thing:

Maybe only 20 were worth submitting to at all.

The others were either 'made for adsense' or very bad design efforts or copies of other's work (which is illegal). Bearing this in mind - why on earth is everybody reinventing the wheel, I'm talking about a very saturated market here, what a waste of time.

I didn't create a general directory/engine as I know I'd get swallowed up by the majors, and it wouldn't survive. Infact, while going through this list of mine, I was shocked at the number of copycats with the SAME kind of content. Not just a little - but identical!

If I'm a visitor and want say Beetles, I won't go to a directory I've never heard of, I'm going to go to Yell.com or Thomson. Perhaps I may try bestbeetles.com, but I certainly won't go to another directory to find it, when I know Yell.com serves me so well.

You've got to make the customer go to you. General directory merchants won't persuade me away from my beloved favourite engine, unless they are special or something better, unique in some way.

ugamis1

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2448 posted 9:53 pm on Jul 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

For the people claiming it is so difficult to get links, you have a small mind. Getting links is the easy part, monetizing it is the hard part.

Event_King



 
Msg#: 2448 posted 12:28 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

I commented on what some links are worth. Not on the difficulty involved in getting the links.

Getting links is easy. Getting targeted links - now that's something else.

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