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DMOZ will not list my sites!
Only 1 out of 6 is listed
vampke

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Msg#: 2408 posted 5:25 pm on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi,

I'm a webdesigner hobbyist, I guess there is one in every family :-)
I have developed a site for a family member's business. This site is doing pretty well in Google for specific keywords and gives proper inforation on the products of this site. It is a "professional" site in the sense that there are no google-ads or anything like that. I designed it primarily to score well in the search engines.
Now the problem is that I submitted the site to DMOZ about a year and a half ago. The site still isn't listed. In fact only 1 site of all my 6 sites got listed after submitting.
Is there a way to be more successfull with DMOZ?
Looks to me like these guys have a lot of power but use it rather randomly.

Any ideas on this?

Thanks in advance!

v.

 

jo1ene

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Msg#: 2408 posted 6:01 pm on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

The site still isn't listed.

Join the club. This is nothing unusual. Quite often, DMOZ taks a long time. Yes - years! There's so much spam and nonsense for the editors to go through.

Search for "resource zone" to get some info about your submissions. There's some strict rules at this forum and they're not really friendly but you CAN find out if you're awaiting review or already rejected.

Rosalind

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Msg#: 2408 posted 6:02 pm on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

It depends on the topic of the site. With competitive subject areas a wait of over a year is common. Finance, travel, games and web design are likely to come into this category, for example. You might make enquiries at Resource-Zone just to find out whether they have been rejected or are still waiting in a queue.

bird

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Msg#: 2408 posted 6:07 pm on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

I designed it primarily to score well in the search engines.
...
Is there a way to be more successfull with DMOZ?

Yes there is.
Just design your sites so that they are useful for visitors, and not primarily for the search engines.

victor

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Msg#: 2408 posted 8:26 pm on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

Looks to me like these guys have a lot of power but use it rather randomly.

I want to reframe that comment.

These guys volunteer a lot of hours to build a directory. They use those hours to work in the areas they are interested in, and can be most effective in. That's the way volunterr projects work.

You have volunteeed about five minutes of your time to raise a random quality issue about the directory: i.e. your unnamed sites.

Your status as a volunteer critic is not, in this instance, of much use to the volunteer editors as you have not named the sites.

But naming the sites is not permitted under WMW's TOS, so the time you've volunteered looks wasted.

There are better ways to help with the ODP.

vampke

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Msg#: 2408 posted 8:51 pm on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

<You have volunteeed about five minutes of your time to raise a random quality issue about the directory: i.e. your unnamed sites.>

I resent your respons as I have volunteered to be part of the DMOZ project, but I have been rejected... twice!

No particular reason has been given (just a standard mail)
looks to me like (some of) those guys are getting of on all 'the power' they have, and they don't want to share it with anybody

victor

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Msg#: 2408 posted 9:08 pm on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

The standard email contains a number of particular reasons.

Not sure you can do so on this site (as TOS forbid republishing of emails), but why not find somewhere where you can republish your application, so any of us can comment on why if should have been accepted or rejected?

leadegroot

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Msg#: 2408 posted 12:13 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Oh, DMOZ - submit and forget.
At most, check at the resource-forum to see if it actually made it into the queue - they have pretty regular technical problems which mean that some submissions don't make it through.
If it made it in then forget about it - you'll either make it in, according to the cat editor's whims, or not
DMOZ isn't there to be useful to the web, its there to be an internal collection point that suits the editors who arbitrarily make it in.
Pity.

duhboy

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Msg#: 2408 posted 1:36 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

If it made it in then forget about it - you'll either make it in, according to the cat editor's whims, or not
DMOZ isn't there to be useful to the web, its there to be an internal collection point that suits the editors who arbitrarily make it in.

This is junkyard nonsense IMO. It is easy to criticize from the sidelines. Jump in, edit, give up your valuable time, don't ask a cent, and compromise your schedule and so on. Then ask yourself if what you have done is "useful to the web".

As well, if you really want to speed things up, I respectfully suggest applying the following to each submission. Read the instructions, apply them and be patient. After all volunteerism is free. Whimsy is something I donít have time for.

bears5122

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Msg#: 2408 posted 3:21 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

It's hard to defend DMOZ these days as becoming an editor has become very difficult. Plenty of people with very good applications get rejected for stupid reasons.

I've been an editor for a year and have built up a nice record of edits, and cleaned up my small category very nicely. I've applied to other categories (small, niche, non-commercial) and been rejected frequently.

It's hard to sit back and say "they have so many sites to go through" when they turn down so many editors. Whether it's an elitist attitude, corruption, or sheer stupidity, DMOZ has become somewhat of a joke over the past year.

leadegroot

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Msg#: 2408 posted 3:57 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

I didn't say that DMOZ isn't useful to the web (although its debatable) I said that being useful isn't its purpose.
Everything one reads from the editors in DMOZ shows that they are not interested in what the web wants, they are interested in building their own directory.
Their purpose is not to provide a service to the web, but just to Be. (Actually I don't understand what they think they are trying to achieve at all, but it definitely isn't to be good for the rest of the web!)

McMohan

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Msg#: 2408 posted 7:39 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Only 1 out of 6 is listed

Congrats!

It's hard to sit back and say "they have so many sites to go through" when they turn down so many editors

Yes. Applied for a category that was last updated a year back. Denied due to a lack of experience as an editor.

Hinso

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Msg#: 2408 posted 8:07 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

How do you get experience as an editor ... if they won't allow you to be an editor?!

bird

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Msg#: 2408 posted 10:02 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

How do you get experience as an editor ... if they won't allow you to be an editor?!

If that was really the reason for the rejection (which may or may not be accurate), then he probably applied for a category that was too large for an new editor. In such a case, just apply for a smaller subcategory instead, and your chances of getting accepted will increase dramatically.

artdeco

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Msg#: 2408 posted 10:31 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

[#*$!...]

artdeco

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Msg#: 2408 posted 10:32 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

SORRY

[#*$!...]

artdeco

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Msg#: 2408 posted 10:35 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

THAT IS FUNNY I PUT twice THE URL AND IT COMES &*()%^
TRY WWW.#*$!/internet-statistics/dmoz-listings.html?page=129

artdeco

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Msg#: 2408 posted 10:36 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

.#*$!=whois

artdeco

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Msg#: 2408 posted 10:40 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

AND WHO IS ARE THE GOOD OLD EDITORS"webmasters" OF DMOZ.
I bet my neck there is no a soul at DMOZ that is not a webmaster that promotes he's her's sites.
ANY COMENTS?
If you are a competitor in the directory listing that mr or mis WHO are editors,forget it ,for a life time.

topr8

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Msg#: 2408 posted 10:50 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

artdeco lots of words here come up as symbols for various good reasons, it's not just you.

jorj

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Msg#: 2408 posted 11:36 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

I joined DMOZ two months ago and I like it. It gives you a certain power, no doubt of that, but it si a pleasure in the same time to find new websites which otherwise I woudn't ever go though.

Anyway, there is another thing I learned about: beeing in editor's position one can understand why certain sites are not aproved or takes too much to be reviewed.

My advice to anyone who would want to post in the category I'm editting is to review the DMOZ' rules because that's where the most webmasters fails. Think that reviewing one site is taking 5 minutes or more and I'd be more than happy to see sites with good titles, in the proper categories, good informational content and without broken links so I can approve them in a minute. I'm also pleased seeing one mistake on a site so I can delete it because this will decrease the number of sites I have to review. Have you think of that? I did not until I became one of them.

leadegroot

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Msg#: 2408 posted 12:11 pm on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

The problem is with the DMOZ system.
Joe Webmaster submits his site. He has no way to find out if it has gone through.
Was it rejected? Was it moved to another cat? He has no way to know.
It has been suggested that a simple system of confirming suggestions by return email where an email address is given would help enormously, but the DMOZ answer is to arrogantly (and I really mean this descriptively) reply that DMOZ is not there for the webmasters! (I'm not sure who it is for...).
The problem with this response is seen at resource-forum. Lots of people can't remember what cat they submitted to. They will ask if their site is in the queue for cat X, and are told they are in the wrong place.
The flip side is that the only way to check is to waste the time of the nice (sometimes) #*$! people. So even if your site has been accepted you probably can't check because you have no systemic way of knowing what cat you applied to and if the cat editor in their wisdom has moved it to a different cat then since the DMOZ search function is broken most of the time you have no way of finding that out.

Would someone help me down from here?
;)

leadegroot

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Msg#: 2408 posted 1:15 pm on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

the 'cursing' should just have said 'resource forum' - sorry :)

dauction

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Msg#: 2408 posted 1:32 pm on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google should just "Bluefind" DMOZ , Bluefind was at least upfront with what it was doing; DMOZ is simply a form of organized Crime .. the prison run by the inmates .

pageoneresults

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Msg#: 2408 posted 2:57 pm on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Why do people still fret over this? An ODP listing I mean? When Google stopped showing ODP directory listings in its main results for search queries, the ODP lost its appeal for many.

Take the advice of others in this thread... Submit and Forget. If you've followed the submission guidelines exactly, your chances of having a site accepted are far greater than if you just submitted without reviewing the guidelines.

vampke

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Msg#: 2408 posted 3:02 pm on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

why do people fret over this? because dmoz has a PR of 9. I don't get links from pr9 sites every day.
my competitors get in, which gives them an unfair advantage

pageoneresults

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Msg#: 2408 posted 3:48 pm on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

My competitors get in, which gives them an unfair advantage.

How is that an unfair advantage? What about the links you have elsewhere that your competitors don't have. Would that also be considered unfair advantage?

You mention PR9. Does the category you are submitting to have a PR9? How many other sites are listed in that category? I believe PageRank is going through a total makeover these days. It is not what it used to be. ;)

vampke

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Msg#: 2408 posted 4:12 pm on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

<quote>How is that an unfair advantage? What about the links you have elsewhere that your competitors don't have. Would that also be considered unfair advantage?</quote>

I consider this a completely different thing.
DMOZ should be an OPEN directory, but clearly it's not. My sites all conform to their policies, but still I don't get listed.

hutcheson

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Msg#: 2408 posted 9:49 pm on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

>My sites all conform to their policies...

Figuring out why an editor will see this statement as intrinsically self-contradictory is left as an exercise to the reader.

McMohan

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Msg#: 2408 posted 5:35 am on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

I wrote
Applied for a category that was last updated a year back. Denied due to a lack of experience as an editor.

bird says
If that was really the reason for the rejection (which may or may not be accurate), then he probably applied for a category that was too large for an new editor

So, they are better off leaving a LARGE category not updated for a year, but not have any newbie editor get in? Newbie only as a dmoz editor, not in the category subject. BTW, that large category only has 39 sites, with no sub-cats.

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