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Zeal
Anyone using it these days?
madmatt69




msg:489817
 12:04 am on Feb 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've got a bunch of Zeal listings, and it was great when MSN was using them, however now I get little to no traffic from them.

Just wondering if any other SE is using the results or anything?

 

ryan26




msg:489818
 1:56 pm on Feb 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Anyone using it these days?

Nah. I find their editors to be complete idiots.

True story: 5 of my sites were turned down because our model uses a non-Adsense PPC feed for monetization. Each was submitted and turned down individually. As pathetic as that sounds, that was the EXACT reason cited in the initial denial and further conversations with the editor.

It also happened to be that the same editor was responsible for handling the submissions across the different topic areas.

These were strong niche content portals that offered message boards, user mailbags, the rest. The feed just looks different. The editor did take the time to complement the content, though.

I find it interesting that About.com, which is a similar model with twice the monetization (Adsense, FREE Icons, whatever else) splashed on-page, can be found in most of the Zeal directories.

Shame on you, Zeal.

Imaster




msg:489819
 2:13 pm on Feb 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've got a bunch of Zeal listings, and it was great when MSN was using them, however now I get little to no traffic from them.

I also have a bunch of zeal listings which are distributed to looksmart.com

I noticed that several of my pages are 302 hijacked by Looksmart and they appear higher in serps than my original page. I suggest you too check out using your exact url in the search and find out if its been crawled under the looksmart.com url as well or not.

MultiMan




msg:489820
 3:46 pm on Feb 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

I find that the Zeal directory is an excellent directory for information sites. I perceive it to be a very under-rated product for its incredibly positive model.

Their business model separates true information sites from commercial sites. It allows for multiple relevant on-topic pages from a site to be placed in other appropriate Zeal subdirectories. And it fairly and justly allows anyone to join and earn their way to permissions of editorial authority.

For those two reasons alone, it blows away the arrogant ODP/DMOZ which can address none of those important factors.

Because of the commerical/non-commercial separation, Zeal's free-directory-listing rules are that a site must not be commercial. Commercial sites have to pay, though, because they are capitalizing and can afford to pay, of course. But a non-commercial site is never in the position to pay, which Zeal rightly recognizes. (This compares to how algo-manipulated G$ is such a "do only evil" SE these days in that it even blackmails non-commercial authority sites into AW if they just want to be found, even though they cannot afford it.)

At Zeal, if any site that has anything commercial on it is submitted and approved, some other authorized submitter will likely come and remove the submitted site anyway. But then, not only will the site be removed, but the one who approved the submission could face penalties, which can affect their permissions to submit in the future. Because of that fear of penalty, it is very understandable why anyone at Zeal would be afraid to approve or allow a site through that has anything hinting of commerce on it.

As for Zeal in the marketplace, when M$ (as a customer buying use of the directory from Zeal for use in the M$ SE) then abandoned Zeal in January 2004, Zeal pretty much lost nearly two-thirds of their revenue. Accordingly, Zeal had a massive restructuring and I think I recall hearing that that even many of their employed Editors were "made redundant."

As for traffic these days, in a website's logs, any hits per Zeal will mostly come from Zeal's owner, LookSmart.com.

Of course, due to LookSmart's other business practices that annoyed webmasters in the past, that has unfortunately impacted what is otherwise an excellent product for the search-marketplace. The Zeal directory is a better product than many realize. But if no one is buying it or using it, its value is negligible in the meantime.

madmatt69




msg:489821
 4:23 pm on Feb 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yeah. I get traffic from LookSmart, but Zeal I don't think I've had anything more than maybe 10 hits coming from them.

They'd be far more useful if they passed PR, instead of using those frames.

onlineshrine




msg:489822
 11:03 pm on Feb 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Zeal is/was actually a really nice directory. When MSN stopped using their results (pre-Yahoo) it stopped being something that paid off to put time into.

Wlauzon




msg:489823
 2:17 pm on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Zeal, unfortunately, seems to be another good idea that has pretty much died. Without any real support from deep pockets there is simply not much it can do.

stechert




msg:489824
 8:07 am on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

madmatt69,

I wouldn't expect a lot of traffic directly from Zeal as it was never intended to be the destination site -- it was meant to be a place for people who wanted to build the directory.

Re: the frame thing, you can change that by editing your preferences.

Cheers,
Andre

angiolo




msg:489825
 3:08 pm on Feb 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Zeal is still a quick way to get indexed in Yahoo and MSN.

The problem is how they consider a site "commercial"....

Very few sites are considered no commercial ...

idonen




msg:489826
 12:58 am on Feb 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

The problem I have with Zeal is that pretty much all of my sites have at least adsense or some affiliate links on them, which they decided was too commercial. Yeah, right, I'll pay them to list me when I'm only making $30 a month...

Their listing approval should be based on the amount of useful content on a site, not whether a site tries to just cover the hosting costs with a few aff links or google ads.

brycen




msg:489827
 9:18 pm on Feb 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

Zeal is one of the nicer directories in many ways.

However, as a Zeal editor, the commercial/non-commercial distinction can get quite tricky and arbitrary. I've had pages run by volunteers removed by other editors, yet sites that have second order commerce (such as harvesting and reselling mailing lists) are OK. Since non-profits often sell or buy stuff, the lines quickly blur.

And there will always be a gap between the sites that qualify as non-commercial, and the sites that will pay.
Thus Zeal is structurally incomplete.

But Zeal is grat for the expired domain hijackers -- those URL's stay in Zeal forever (even if they are 'unpublished').

brycen




msg:489828
 9:23 pm on Feb 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

Zeal is also nice in terms of softlinks. One website profile can exist in multiple categories. This makes it an ideal place to list sites that have a small number of specific locations (e.g. non-profits that serve 3 communities, or a trail that runs between towns).

Natashka




msg:489829
 1:36 am on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

The problem I have with Zeal is that pretty much all of my sites have at least adsense or some affiliate links on them, which they decided was too commercial.

My site had Fastclick banners on it, and they still included me... I don't sell anything though, it's an informational site. But they also included my another, dating site, and all dating sites are commercial by nature, even though they say they are 100% free ;)

Zeal itself doesn't send me any visitors, but Looksmart sends some, I included my sites to Zeal only because I wanted to be in Looksmart, but I didn't want to pay money to Looksmart.

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