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Bluefind Verdict
Does it pass PR?
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msg:486369
 11:30 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have just checked Google backlinks of maney sites listed in Bluefind and was not able to find one site showing a backlink from Bluefind! Does anyone know if Bluefind works and if a listing there would improve PR.

Their main page for an strange reason had a PR0 for a few weeks, but now it's back ti PR8.

 

walkman




msg:486459
 2:21 am on Jan 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

"While John likes to argue for some type of alternative abstract benefit associated with being listed...."

Yeah maybe a Google penalty ;)

KrisVal




msg:486460
 3:47 pm on Jan 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

You should read this post about the do's and don'ts of directories. I think Bluefind's issue from what I have read in several other forums is a penalty due to duplicate content. They literally had/have thousands of empty categories. This however, is speculation. Only Google really knows. Could also be the fact that they allowed multiple listings of web sites including subdomains and accepted deeplinks. domain1.mywebsites.comdomain2.mywebsite.com, etc. In my opinion, this isn't a directory, but a link building service.

What I do know is that the Bluefind.com home page is not listed period and A LOT of the directory pages are delisted as well. Take a minute Pageoneresults really thought this one out and raises some excellent points.

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chabbs




msg:486461
 5:48 pm on Jan 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

I don't particularly think that submitting sub-domains and web pages (yourdomain.com/topic.html) could hurt a directory unless all the listing descriptions are the same and the content that the links are pointing to have duplicate content. Dmoz allows web pages and they're not suffering from loss of page rank.

Allowing pages and sub-domains is legitimate if the topics are all different. For example; a shopping site that has different categories can benefit from this type of submission because people that click through the listings will land directly on the page.

Most of the times when you search for something on the net you're looking for the topic. Does it matter if you land on a sub-domain or page if the content that is found is rich with information?

Basically, I'm saying that submitting sub-domains or pages is probably not the cause for the loss of pr for Bluefind.com unless there's a lot of duplication found.

In the end a person or company's true intentions will eventually surface no matter the trials and time will tell what Bluefind is all about.

jimnoble




msg:486462
 5:52 pm on Jan 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Dmoz allows web pages

Only under exceptional circumstances. It most certainly isn't the norm.

Dynamoo




msg:486463
 11:08 pm on Jan 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Shucks, did I not say there was something badly wrong when a site doesn't show up in Google when you type it's domain name it? And when a PageRank predictor.. and let me remind you that they basically do a backlink count.. comes up with a PR10, do you not think that it gets subject to a manual review?

Look, I've got to say that this appears to be a case where someone tries to out-clever Google. Sure, it might work for a while, but there are a lot of very bright people working for Google. Don't poke the tiger, eh?

nuevojefe




msg:486464
 12:56 am on Jan 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

There was one that gave you a listing for free (in exchange for a reciprocal). The directory is a dot biz called URL. They played a game of buying PR till they accumulated a lot of reciprocals (who wouldn't exchange links with a PR8?). They then dropped buying PR when they had enough reciprocals. So their home page now shows a PR1 but their internal pages have healthy PR on the back of the reciprocals. As you don't ask for reciprocals this, of course, has no bearing on BF and is perhaps more the kind of directory that people should be cautious about.

Actually they where naturally a PR6/7 (fluctuations) but began buying PR when someone realized it would contribute to higher submissions.

The idea was actually to let people submit a link if they gave a reciprocal but then if they contributed articles on their subject their listing would rise in their category. It was great and sent a lot of traffic to those listed prominently and with good link title/descriptions.

Then google put a pr passing block on it and then a real penalty all together. Exact reasons still haven't been determined as this was an actually really useful site, sent good traffic and wasn't overpopulated with ads of any kind. It's possible that there was a disproportionate amount of articles submitted that also appeared elsewhere on the web (the contributors site for example) and that lead to a duplicate content penalty of the harsher variety.

It's too bad because for a fact the people that contributed there and had topics that did get good amounts of searches really did get a solid amount of traffic from those listings. Perhaps that directory will make a comeback if google gives it another chance.

mister charlie




msg:486465
 1:43 am on Jan 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>Only under exceptional circumstances. It most certainly isn't the norm.

On the contrary, DMOZ is quite fond of file pages, subdomains and other "web pages". A search for about.com birngs back 3200+ results from that site, and the News branch, currently showing 237,052 sites contains one category that has 228,916 file pages - [dmoz.org...]

I don't see any penalties there. I think the web page issue is entirely irrelevant to the topic.

nuevojefe




msg:486466
 9:33 am on Jan 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

I don't see any penalties there. I think the web page issue is entirely irrelevant to the topic.

Agreed. One of the most well ranking (google) pharm sites has a google directory listing for almost every medicine it references. Links to sub pages are not that unordinary so long as it is highly relevant and a solid resource.

larryhatch




msg:486467
 10:30 am on Jan 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

I suppose I'm missing the point here.

I Googled up Bluefind and searched for topics that interest me, well I tried anyway.
Does anyone use Bluefind to look anything up?
Anyone besides site owners, say the public at large? - Larry

KrisVal




msg:486468
 6:53 pm on Jan 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

I don't see any penalties there. I think the web page issue is entirely irrelevant to the topic.
Agreed. One of the most well ranking (google) pharm sites has a google directory listing for almost every medicine it references. Links to sub pages are not that unordinary so long as it is highly relevant and a solid resource.

Could you provide me with the specific example of the site in question. I would like to take a closer look. Thanks.

bhd735




msg:486469
 6:54 pm on Jan 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

neuvojefe said about url.biz:
Then google put a pr passing block on it and then a real penalty all together.

the green bar is lit on url.biz pages, wouldnt that be greyed out if there was a real penalty? Or has it been lifted?

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