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indianfreelancers

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Msg#: 1933 posted 3:18 am on Dec 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi,

Can anyone please look at my site & help me to optimize it correctly.

My site is [snip] and suggest me which category i can submit in Dmoz.

I have submitted that site in month of JULY but still isn't listed in Google.

Thanks
Tilak

[edited by: pageoneresults at 8:46 am (utc) on Dec. 20, 2003]
[edit reason] Removed Specifics - Please Refer to TOS [/edit]

 

operafan

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1933 posted 4:50 am on Dec 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

Welcome to WebmasterWorld, please do not post your URL it's against TOS
[webmasterworld.com...] - line 13.

You can submit it locally to your area like Mumbai - B & E - Internet - WEb Design / Development.
That would be the first step, then later you can submit it to the main Internet category too.

For local listing in your area, make sure you have a physical address in that area. Otherwise you might not be listed.
It usually takes months to get listed pending on the activeness of the editor of that category & the editors higher up.

pathak

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1933 posted 5:53 am on Dec 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

hi tilak,

You can submit your site in following categories:
1. [directory.google.com...]

2.
Society > People > Missing People > Locator Services

3. [directory.google.com...]

I think this could be of some help to you.

Pushkar Pathak

operafan

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1933 posted 6:01 am on Dec 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

You can submit to those cats as suggested below or you can submit it at the local level, but the links below are google directory & not dmoz, However there's a submit link in the google directory which will bring you to dmoz.

indianfreelancers

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1933 posted 6:35 am on Dec 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks Mr. Pathak

John_Caius

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1933 posted 12:13 am on Dec 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

Read dmoz.org/guidelines for some more official advice. The dmoz rule is usually to submit to the one most appropriate category. In some cases, e.g. for a business with a regional location, you can submit to a topical (e.g. Business/Healthcare/...) and to a regional (e.g. Regional/North_America/United_States/...) category. You shouldn't be submitting your site to two different Business and one Society category - submit to the one that best fits your site.

DRGather

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1933 posted 11:07 pm on Dec 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Slightly different question on this, but since you all know DMOZ so well... what if my site is pretty broad and mulitfaceted but has one segment that is seperate (sub-domain) save a link between the main and specific pages?

for instance:

Main site is about widgets... EVERYTHING widgets... widget news, notes, commentary... whatever.

Specific site (on subdomain) is about ORANGE widgets. The orange widget customers may be interested in general widget info, but NOT vice versa. The general widget group has no need for orange widgets or orange widget information (hence the separate domains). In this case, can I submit to two categories because of the separation? Naturally I'd submit each distinct page to the appropriate category, but they're technically hosted on the same domain and share company name, etc.

I've checked and there are in fact two distinct and very separate categories that the site would fit in.

Thanks for the help!

hutcheson

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1933 posted 11:39 pm on Dec 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Here's my take, which is not official.

If the categories are indeed distinct and there is no connection between them, then submit to both. This probably doesn't mean it will be accepted in both: in fact, your submittal may alert us to the problem that two closely-related categories aren't connected in our taxonomy, and we need to fix that.

Whether we double-list the site or polish the taxonomy, the extra submittal has caused an improvement in the directory. And anything that has as that as its purpose is not spamming.

Caveat: This is my opinion. There may other editors who like cross-linked categories more than I do, but if so I haven't crossed words with them.

motsa

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1933 posted 8:22 am on Dec 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

If, as in your suggestion, the two sections are as closely related as widgets and orange widgets (e.g. both being about some type(s) of widgets), then I highly doubt that you'll see both sections listed.

e.g. say we had the following structure:

Business/Widgets
Business/Widgets/Blue
Business/Widgets/Orange
Business/Widgets/Clear

A business offering both general information about widgets and offering a section about orange widgets in particular would likely just be listed in the Widgets category, not in Widgets and Widgets/Orange

On the other hand, if you have a situation where the general information is about widgets and the specialized information is about orange whoozits, then, yes, it's possible that both sections might be listed.

DRGather

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1933 posted 1:55 pm on Dec 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

I guess it's really hard to explain without getting into details. They're not as closely related as one may think, but they do share a common theme. I guess it would be something similar to.... (completely NOT my industry)... The general category being sports... all kinds of sports. Jogging, football, etc. You know, just 'the sporting world'. And the specialized category being high jumping.

eh... that really doesn't even do it justice because some sports buffs would be interested in high jumping as well as others. In my case, the general category has no interest in the specialized, but oh well. I'm going to give it a shot and see what happens.

The sites are on different domains (techincally speaking) anyway, so it's not like I'm spamming for multiple listings for a PR boost on one domain. If they both get listed then I get 2 sites dealing with 2 subjects in 2 categories. If not... then DMOZ users have to guess about categories and where things are (wouldn't be the first time!).

Thanks for your feedback!

Hissingsid

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1933 posted 11:20 am on Jan 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

You can submit it locally to your area like Mumbai - B & E - Internet - WEb Design / Development.
That would be the first step, then later you can submit it to the main Internet category too.

Hi,

I wonder if you could explain on what basis you can submit to the main internet category too. I have a site in an insurance niche, I have it listed in the most appropriate category in my region but need to get it into a bigger branch of the taxonomy.

All of the sites in Googles top 10 for my target keywords are in the main Insurance global branch so I really need to do something about this as I've dropped from #1 to #540 and I'm sure there is a link to the ODP category.

Many thanks

Sid

hutcheson

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1933 posted 4:42 pm on Jan 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

>I have a site in an insurance niche, I have it listed in the most appropriate category in my region ...
OK.

>but need to get it into a bigger branch of the taxonomy.
It won't happen. You won't find your neighboring competitors there, either: and if you do, they'll be moved to the Regional category also.

>All of the sites in Googles top 10 for my target keywords are in the main Insurance global branch ...

>so I really need to do something about this as I've dropped from #1 to #540 ...
This must remain of absolutely no concern to ODP editors. If we list 540 insurance sites, SOME site has to be #540, and any editor who shows signs of caring which one it is, is going to lose editing privileges as soon as anyone notices.

>and I'm sure there is a link to the ODP category.
Do you have a theory to back up this assurance? Like maybe an ODP editor added 539 new sites to the global category in a month? (even that theory, absurd as it is, fails to tell how the other sites already listed would have passed yours -- since adding more sites would have lowered the page rank of the existing sites!) Look, tell it to the marines, because the sailors are NEVER going to believe that one.

This is not related to the ODP == there is no way an ODP change would have had that effect. If it were related to the ODP, there would be nothing you could do about it--the ODP categorizes sites, and does not rank them. If your site is categorized correctly and described accurately, then anything you try to "do" about "your personal needs" (which surfers do not share) is guaranteed to be counterproductive.

flicker

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1933 posted 6:59 pm on Jan 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

The sudden drop in your Google rankings is probably due to the new algorithm Google just trotted out--you can read oodles of messages about that over on the Google forum. Fascinating stuff. But the recent large shift in your Google ranking is far more likely to be due to that than to the ODP, which hasn't made any big changes lately. HTH!

Hissingsid

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1933 posted 10:09 am on Jan 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

The sudden drop in your Google rankings is probably due to the new algorithm Google just trotted out--you can read oodles of messages about that over on the Google forum. Fascinating stuff. But the recent large shift in your Google ranking is far more likely to be due to that than to the ODP, which hasn't made any big changes lately. HTH!

Hi,

I don't think that I've explained myself too well on this one. What I am saying is that there could be a direct relationship to what has happenned on Google and the ODP taxonomy.

I was not refering to rank in DMOZ but in Google. I don't think that "rank" is a DMOZ thing is it?

Google bought Applied Semantics Inc. It has technology which categorises text pages on the basis of "sensing" what the page is about. Having sensed what a page is about, It categorises it on the basis of a taxonomy and decision tree. Applied Semantics uses the ODP taxonomy in some of its applications.

The kind of automatic categoriser used by Applied Semantics needs to be trained. In order to structure the training you need to feed it a taxonomy, an ontology and loads of pages. What if it stopped looking for alternatives once it found a big site in a big branch of the taxonomy as its model for a particular term.

It looks like the sites which were not harmed by the November Google update are listed in DMOZ in one of the big category branches. All of this may be entirely co-incidence and speculation.

If Google/Applied Semantics is using or plans to use the ODP taxonomy then we will have big problems because the ODP taxonomy has a number of ways of categorising the same site. For example you can go down the main international Web branches or down the regional branches. In the top 10 Google results for my problem term are sites which I think would be more appropriately categorised in a regional ODP branch (because they relate to a regional, non-US, services) which have some how managed to get into an international ODP category.

The question is, I guess, should those sites which have been wrongly categorised by a human have their category changed, or should I try and get my site wrongly categorised in the same way?

Best wishes

Sid

flicker

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1933 posted 4:14 pm on Jan 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Oops! Sorry for the misunderstanding... there've been a lot of panicky people floating around saying "Oh, no, a period was just added to the end of the description of my ODP entry and now my site has totally disappeared from the top #500! Please remove this awful punctuation mark!" Most of the time, of course, the ODP change is complete coincidence, so informing people about the Google algorithm change is useful. Of course, though, you already knew about it. I didn't recognize your handle. *sorry grin*

I'm not familiar enough with Applied Semantics to know if what you say is possible, but my nature is to be skeptical of statements like "It looks like the sites which were not harmed by the November Google update are listed in DMOZ in one of the big category branches." It seems likely to me that if an ODP editor thought the site was of general enough interest for a big category branch, then it's likely other people who link to the site do too. I can't imagine that Google could be placing that kind of sole importance on the Google directory when it updates said directory so rarely. However, this is merely speculation on my part, too.

motsa

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1933 posted 4:48 am on Jan 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

In the end, it really doesn't matter (from the ODP's point of view) if Google's algo is affected by that acquisition or not because the method by which Google ranks sites has zero effect on how editors will continue to classify sites.

>> The question is, I guess, should those sites which have been wrongly categorised by a human have their category changed, or should I try and get my site wrongly categorised in the same way?

Deliberately trying to get your site misclassified in order to help your Google PR (otherwise known as abusing the directory) is not a wise idea as it is likely to just really annoy ODP editors. I can't comment on the possible misclassification of other sites without knowing what they are but in general, if a site is misclassified, then, yes, it should be corrected. But keep in mind that your idea of misclassification and ours may not match.

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