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how long do DMOZ listed sites take to copy over?
yawnmoth




msg:488597
 5:44 am on Sep 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

if it wasn't clear, in my other thread, heh, my site has been listed on DMOZ. however, i do not see it in the catagory that it's supposed to be in. how long does it take to be listed?

also, while google may not list my site in the catagory, it does know my site is in DMOZ. if i do a search in google to see which sites are linking to mine, DMOZ is one of the sites returned to me. also, if i do a search for my site in the directory, i see it. i just don't see it in the catagory, which i find odd. why would it be sorta in the google directory? i would think that it would either be in there all the way, or not at all...

finally, i did not get an email saying that my site was listed in DMOZ... do people normally get emails saying this?

 

Powdork




msg:488598
 6:44 am on Sep 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

how long does it take to be listed?
There is no real answer to this. Google grabs the dmoz data unpredictably. In addition to everything you described you will also notice that when the page that is in DMOZ shows up in Google serps, it will have the DMOZ category and description listed before you can find the site in the actual google directory. As far as I can tell, when those shows up in Google serps, that is when you start getting the benefit of the Google directory link rather than when it actually is in the Google directory.

finally, i did not get an email saying that my site was listed in DMOZ... do people normally get emails saying this?
Ummm...., no. Unfortunately, that technology does not exist today.;)

hutcheson




msg:488599
 1:29 pm on Sep 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

>Unfortunately, that technology does not exist today.

Too true. In fact, we don't even have a definition for what it would do if we had authorization to implement it.

For instance: "Your" site? How do we know who you are? and WHICH your site is? Do you mean "the site at a domain that is registered with you as the technical contact?" "the site that contains your e-mail address on its contact page (and how would we find that") or "the site you submitted"?

Obviously, we can't just use the last one: it is easy for webmasters to forget, but the "suggest a URL" capability was not designed for them, and is not exclusively used by them. And it would provide a very effective way of abusing the system by submitting competitors to steal their submittal information.

And how can we figure out which submittal that is, since it may well have been one of a dozen submittals, in as many different categories -- some duplicated multiple times but automatically combined -- of as many different URLs, none of which were identical to the listed one?

I've made a "feature request" for changes leading to something like this capability. I'd like to see work done in that direction, but with the best will in the world, it will require fairly major changes in the database and user interface. And it will require design for all of the various perversities and idiocies which submitters commit (and some one of which nearly every submitter commits). It is not something that can happen quickly.

orlady




msg:488600
 1:35 am on Sep 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

For an interesting essay on the relationship between Google and dmoz, search Google for the keywords "google dmoz love".

Mohamed_E




msg:488601
 2:18 am on Sep 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Nice find, orlady!

A bit dated, talks about the Google Dance and about monthly downloads of the RDF dump. The first is history, and I am not sure the second was ever the case.

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