| 12:37 pm on Jul 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
It is getting increasingly difficult to get a site listed in the ODP. I've been monitoring several categories since March and have yet to see a new site added in any of them.
|Paul in South Africa|
| 12:50 pm on Jul 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
As far as I know the public pages are still showing static pages which are out of date (certainly in the categories I know well).
| 12:55 pm on Jul 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
DMOZ has updated some categories (at least the ones I am familiar with), but I agree with Paul you need to wait at least a month sometimes longer if the category doesn't have an editor.
| 1:12 pm on Jul 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
It will take a month to several years to get listed in ODP depending upon the category you have submitted your site.
| 1:48 pm on Jul 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
To my knowledge, resubmitting puts you at the bottom of the list.
|Paul in South Africa|
| 1:53 pm on Jul 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Resubmitting overwrites your original submission. If the editor sorts the unreviewed submissions by date (just one of the available options) then yes, your submission will be at the bottom of the list. If one of the other sort options is used, your new submission will not necessarily be at the bottom of the list.
| 2:11 pm on Jul 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
It can get worse than the waiting!
I have a client that still isn't listed in DMOZ after 6 months so I went and took another look in that category.
Not only was my clients' site rejected, but two other sites in that category had been dropped. I know they were previously listed because I had submitted them myself several years ago and they had been approved for inclusion.
The "editor" of the category runs a competing website. Hmmmm... I wonder if sites being dropped/refused and the editor being a competitor could somehow be connected? Ya' think?
| 4:28 pm on Jul 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Deleting listable competitors is unacceptable editing.
If you think there is a possibility of abuse, please file an abuse report. These reports are looked at by the meta-editors, very quickly in DMOZ time (that is, in hours or days rather than weeks or months.)
| 5:27 pm on Jul 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
|The "editor" of the category runs a competing website. Hmmmm... I wonder if sites being dropped/refused and the editor being a competitor could somehow be connected? Ya' think? |
It's definitely possible but if that appears to be the case, please follow up with the folks at Dmoz as opposed to spilling the beans in directories forum here. The abuse report system Hutch mentioned is one avenue to try.
| 6:23 pm on Jul 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
|It all depends on the category you submitted to and how many people are in line before you. |
FYI, there's no real waiting queue. There's a list of sites awaiting review which can be sorted in different ways, by submission date being one possibility. And even if the list is sorted by submission date that doesn't mean editors have to go through the list that way. They can i.e. choose to first review sites with the most guideline compliant titles and descriptions, or sites which seem to have the most interesting content.
| 6:27 pm on Jul 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
>>The "editor" of the category runs a competing website. Hmmmm... I wonder if sites being dropped/refused and the editor being a competitor could somehow be connected? Ya' think?<<
Maybe the sites shouldn't have been listed in the first place. Maybe you're blissfully unaware of the fact that categories are displaying an old backup database for now.
I do wish people wouldn't _only_ think that a competitor is doing awful things. Didn't we just have a thread about how "experts" should be encouraged and even preferred to be editors? Sounds like you've just made an argument against letting "experts" be editors. Are they good at knowing what should be listed, or are they good at taking advantage of the trust ODP meta-editors put in them when they are accepted as editors?
[webmasterworld.com...] is the thread about (in part) experts being editors.
I have yet to see a post at webmasterworld saying, "Yeah! Finally, an expert in my field is an editor! I am sure he really knows his stuff, and I am sure that he will (or already did) treat my site fairly." I do see a lot of this: "As long as my site isn't listed, it must have been treated unfairly."
[edited by: kctipton at 6:50 pm (utc) on July 30, 2003]
| 6:46 pm on Jul 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Lets not make not make this personal:)
| 12:21 am on Jul 31, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I just wanted to add that the public page that I edit has not been updated in a few weeks even though I have added seven new sites. So there is also a slow down on getting updated pages onto the public directory. I haven't recieved an answer as to why.
| 12:30 am on Jul 31, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Half the posts in this forum explain why.
| 12:31 am on Jul 31, 2003 (gmt 0)|
>> I haven't recieved an answer as to why. <<
You are kidding? This has been mentioned here many times in the last 6 weeks.
It is also mentioned in the internal forums, other forums, and at *****.
| 3:33 am on Jul 31, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Oh, I know about the server change over and upgrades that ODP is doing, but I was told this would be done over a week ago an I haven't recieved a reply as to when this will really be updated. It keeps changing. Even the editors forum has been closed.
| 5:42 am on Jul 31, 2003 (gmt 0)|
>I was told this would be done over a week ago ...
Yes, that may turn out to have been wrong.
>and I haven't received a reply as to when this will really be updated.
... and our crystal ball is working just as well today as it was two weeks ago. So, what could you do with another oracle from a discredited prophet?
The public pages are an nuisance but not a major problem. They'll be fixed, eventually; in the meantime, the editors are busily doing new edits to be included on the fixed pages. When will it happen? We don't know, but every day it's delayed is another 5000-10000 edits that will appear when it comes.
| 3:21 pm on Jul 31, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Thanks for the info. :)
| 4:20 am on Aug 1, 2003 (gmt 0)|
>>How can it be that some sites get through in a few days and I heard from others that its been a year and still waiting!<<
Because the queue isn't a FIFO pipeline.
| 6:58 am on Aug 1, 2003 (gmt 0)|
>How can it be that some sites get through in a few days and I heard from others that its been a year and still waiting!
It's much more than that. There are almost surely some sites somewhere that have been waiting over two years (every now and then, an editor mentions finding such a site in our internal forums); while some sites get through within a few MINUTES of being submitted, and some sites get listed before they ever were submitted!
On the other hand: some good sites never do get submitted, and other sites get submitted months or years before they actually exist. So, if you were trying to build the most comprehensive directory of the sites that exist (rather than the sites that were submitted), you too might say that "submittal instant" is a pretty irrelevant datum.
| 3:19 pm on Aug 1, 2003 (gmt 0)|
What Victor said. We try to answer all status requests - if we missed you just bump the thread again. However 2 weeks ago we couldn't check statuses at all so some threads were not answered (since we actually couldn't give an answer).
| 6:03 am on Aug 2, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I have near banned DMOZ, I can not get listed for almost two years now. Forget about emailing editors, Not one has replied to this date. Submitted to all categories I could that had an editor, waiting a few months inbetween submissions of course. I have emailed over three different editors. Also emailing DMOZ from one of the general pages. Not even an automated reply. No one answers.
Not that I really care, Nor is this a ME TOO reply, I'm just saying don't stess over it. There is probably no one really behind the curtains at dmoz. Not only do the editors not reply, the website is always overloaded. Not to mention that dmoz is incomplete. I could never find anything I was looking for on their directory. I would guess being on that directory means that your website may be really old and established at a time when dmoz really may have cared. Maybe there was a time when dmoz really ment something outside of those free or cheap spam ebooks given or sold by spammy emailers trying to brainwash you.
I would like to say their is probable cause for suspicion of a lot of monkey bussiness at odp. Researching any category for a given amount of time would prove it. I would not say the editors are pros either. In my given category a web site with 3 pages and no content is in. Literly blank pages one sentence per page and contact info. It looks like a Verisign Pre-made imitation website.
A link from them is usually overstated. It is better to have a lot of content and links from everywhere related to your web. There tons off other directories out there. Try looking for local ones first. If you think that you want into odp for the cause of boosting SE rank forget about it. It bears very little weight IMOP.
If you are a developer or designer I could understand trying to get in dmoz. Try not to overstate the inclusion of dmoz to your clients.
| 6:25 am on Aug 2, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Irony wins again.
| 10:06 am on Aug 2, 2003 (gmt 0)|
most probably doesn't belong here - but since some editors seem to read, may I ask a question? And since I have had really good experiences with dmoz so far....
I only tried to get into DMOZ with 2 sites so far. First was a Hotel site, it was in the directory within 3 weeks, but the search function wouldn't find it.(because the index was old). A very nice guy responded to my inquiery telling me the index was outdated - and was was wishing that would change soon.
Next time I entered my own site for inclusion. Took a bit longer, but now after about 2 months I can find it if I use the search funktion and get a new index (seems to change after every other search) - so I'm in. But - my site is not in the index this time: i click on the category link beneath my site's description - and my site's not in the list. Is this also a question of time - or should I try and ask someone at dmoz for help?
| 3:20 pm on Aug 2, 2003 (gmt 0)|
resourse zone, I didn't understand at first maybe someone will answer back there. That page is definately being bookmarked. I just read odp editor forum after this one. Should of read that one before posting.
| 6:34 am on Aug 3, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I owe ODP an apology after going to the resouce-zone
| 7:48 am on Aug 3, 2003 (gmt 0)|
The irony mentioned above was that your site was added the day before you made that post.
| 8:34 pm on Aug 3, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Most (but not all) the public pages are frozen as of about June 20th or so. There are other threads about this but the bottom line is don't worry about it. The public pages will become unfrozen soon. If it is there, it is there.