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worker

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Msg#: 1600 posted 12:06 am on Jun 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have a 500+ page site that is a not an adult site, however, it does have about 10 pages of links/listings that point to adult sites.

I attempted to get my site listed in DMOZ, and one of the editors actually replied to my request (I put my email in with my request) to say that he liked my site, but that due to the adult content, it could not be listed in the category I wanted to have it listed in.

He recommended that I submit it into the Adult section of DMOZ. Since my site is really not an Adult site, I have resisted doing that.

Since it appears that I will not make it into DMOZ unless I either remove the Adult information, or submit it into the Adult section, I'm considering submitting into the Adult section.

So, here is the question. Will my site be negatively affected in anyway if it is submitted and accepted as an Adult site? I don't want to do this if the site as a whole is going to get a Scarlet Letter emblazoned on it.

I don't want to do this if Google, or any other search engine is going to treat the site differently if it is listed as an Adult site within DMOZ.

Any comments from DMOZ editors would be greatly appreciated.

 

kctipton

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1600 posted 12:56 am on Jun 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Adult is mostly for p*rn or otherwise titillating text or images. WebmasterWorld doesn't want to discuss adult topics, however, so you'll need to visit the resource zone adult forum to ask about your site to see how to avoid getting listed there.

worker

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1600 posted 1:01 am on Jun 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Are you saying that I should avoid being listed in the Adult section of DMOZ? If so, is there a specific reason?

I don't think this topic should be a problem here because I'm just asking if there is any negative to being listed in the Adult section of DMOZ.

My site doesn't have porn on it, but I do link to some Adult sites, and that was the reason the DMOZ editor said they wouldn't list me in the category I originally wanted.

If this topic is inappropriate for discussion here, can a moderatator let me know?

Also, what is the URL for the resource center for DMOZ?

senox

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1600 posted 1:13 am on Jun 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

You can find a link to resource zone in the charter of this forum.

worker

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1600 posted 1:31 am on Jun 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

OK, I went to the resource-center, but I didn't see any posts that discuss this issue. It looks like I'll have to register, and then wait to be authorized to post in the Adult forum.

I'm hoping someone here can help me out so that I don't have to go through all that.

I'm looking for some general feedback from some of the more experienced webmasters. I don't necessarily have to hear from DMOZ editors, but I have seen a lot of them post on Webmaster World which is why I mentioned it before.

It's a pretty basic issue...

Get listed in DMOZ = Good
Get listed in Adult DMOZ =?

Do you still get the benefits of a DMOZ listing, or is your site 'tagged' in some way that affects it in Google or other search engines?

I think this is a bigger question than just a DMOZ question because I'm interested in the ramifications of being listed...and I don't know that the DMOZ editors in the resource zone would be open to relaying that.

Any help would be appreciated.

kctipton

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1600 posted 2:06 am on Jun 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Uhh, if I understood you correctly you don't want an adult listing. Someone already thinks you qualify for one. If you want clarification about how to _avoid_ such classification of your site you can ask those who would know if it qualifies or not. I never said you _should_ avoid it. I just understood that to be your desire.

worker

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1600 posted 2:10 am on Jun 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Ah, sorry.

I didn't want to list the site in the Adult section because I didn't (and still don't) really think it is an Adult site...but if there are no negatives to doing so, apparently that is the way for me to get it into DMOZ.

I know that I could remove the content that is the problem, but the stubborn side of me doesn't like someone else telling me what I can and can't have in my site.

So, it gets back to the fundamental question...if it is listed in the Adult section of DMOZ, are there any negative ramifications?

rfgdxm1

WebmasterWorld Senior Member rfgdxm1 us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1600 posted 4:35 am on Jun 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

>I know that I could remove the content that is the problem, but the stubborn side of me doesn't like someone else telling me what I can and can't have in my site.

You can have whatever you want on your site. That is your choice. And, other sites can use whatever criteria they want to decide to link to you. Flipping this around, I don't have any porn on my sites at the moment. However, if I wanted to get listed in Adult at the ODP, that would require that I first add some porn. Nobody has a right to be listed anywhere at the ODP.

worker

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1600 posted 11:23 am on Jun 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

I never claimed that I deserve to be listed in the main DMOZ with the 'links' to some Adult sites.

I understand that I can remove the 'links' to the Adult sites, and that would allow me into the main DMOZ.

I had already designed and built the site before submitting, so when I was told that the links to the Adult sites were a problem, it caused a conflict for me.

I either have to remove those links to get in the main secton of DMOZ, or I can submit to the Adult section even though the site isn't really an Adult site.

The question is...if I submit to the Adult section, and it is approved, does anyone know if the site will be negatively affected in any way by being listed that way?

If it is going to be negatively affected by being 'tagged' in some way, in the search engines, then I will either remove the links in question and resubmit to the main DMOZ...or I'll just not worry about DMOZ at all.

I just want to find out if anyone knows if the Adult DMOZ category would be bad for a site that really isn't aimed at the Adult market?

John_Caius

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1600 posted 11:26 am on Jun 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Well to my knowledge Google's directory doesn't take the adult section of the ODP, so you don't get the PR benefit of being listed both at dmoz.org and the Google directory.

If your site isn't aimed at the adult market then why on earth are you putting adult links on it? I wouldn't want to come across adult links and banners on a site that I'm surfing for non-adult information.

If you've put your adult links to try and get more revenue, whilst acknowledging that your target audience wouldn't want it, then maybe your focus is wrong. Try building up more content that your users want and provide useful and related links. You'll get much more traffic, more repeat users and ultimately more revenue that way.

worker

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1600 posted 11:38 am on Jun 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Fair question.

I have a small 10 page section that is clearly defined on the site to provide information and links that would be considered 'Adult'.

I don't have random information of Adult links throughout the site, so no one will stumble across anything. But if they are looking for the things in question, then they will move into the defined 'Adult' section of the site where they can then link out to other sites for what they are looking for.

There is no 'Adult' content on my site, just some links to other sites.

I have that section there because I think that it adds value to the site for the people that are looking for that type stuff. That being said, I will drop it if I feel that the benefits outweigh the negatives.

Your comment about not getting into the Google Directory section is valid. Not sure if that is a strong enough reason not to have the info., but definitely worth consideration.

Any other negatives?

takagi

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1600 posted 11:47 am on Jun 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

First of all, can you find a category in the adult section where your site could be added? If not, then the discussion is rather hypothetical.

.. if I submit to the Adult section, and it is approved, does anyone know if the site will be negatively affected in any way by being listed that way?

I have no experience with this, but it could have the following bad affect:
1. Site could be become inaccessible for some users (people browsing Internet at the workplace, at a library, using some filter like Net Nanny)
2. Pages don't show up in SERPs when the user has Search Engine set to filter adult pages
3. Getting inbound links might be harder.
4. Visitors that search for 'similar' pages (from toolbar or from SERP) might get a list with 'other' adult sites.

But why are you so desperately looking for a link from ODP? It is nice to have, but on the other hand it is not that important.

worker

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1600 posted 12:13 pm on Jun 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have the same concerns as the ones you've mentioned, but I guess I'm looking to find out if anyone knows for sure if any of those things will really happen.

I'm not desperate for a DMOZ listing, but if I can get one, why not. I just don't want to do it if it will hurt the site in any way.

I already know that there is a category in the Adult section where my site would fit, and based on the comment from the DMOZ editor, I think it would be accepted.

You have tapped into the reason why I started this thread. I have a fear that the site would be negatively affected in the ways that you have mentioned...but I don't know that that is the case. It seems stupid to keep myself out of DMOZ if being listed in the Adult section wouldn't cause those problems, but not knowing is preventing me from moving forward.

Does anyone here have any direct experience with this issue?

senox

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1600 posted 4:23 pm on Jun 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Worker,

In addition to the general ODP editing guidelines there are some more covering specific types of sites, including Adult. See [dmoz.org...] . Have a look at the Adult Guidelines, and if after reading them you have a serious doubt that your site is an Adult site then you may take into consideration to ask for clarification in resource zone concerning your specific case.

If you want a general discussion on how a listing in an Adult category affects a site, then the Webmasterworld forums are a better place. [I hope I'm saying nothing wrong here about Adult sites and the purpose of this forum, otherwise would a moderator please be so kind to correct me? Thanks.]

worker

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1600 posted 4:33 pm on Jun 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

"If you want a general discussion on how a listing in an Adult category affects a site"

Bingo.

I'm more interested in understanding the implications of being listing in the Adult section of DMOZ vs. the main DMOZ directory.

I'm pretty sure that I can be listed in the Adult section now, or I can remove some content and be listed in the main index.

I just can't weigh the pro's and con's without a clear understanding of just what the con's are.

= )

theseeker

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1600 posted 5:16 pm on Jun 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

I don't know what effect being listed in Adult has on Google, but I wanted to point out that Google does take the Adult portion of ODP, even if it's hard to find (much like on dmoz.org). It's hidden but you can go to any other categry and then change that category to Adult in the location address bar of your browser and it's all there.

worker

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1600 posted 6:15 pm on Jun 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hmm...one less negative to worry about then.

Does anyone know of any negative ramification to being listed in the Adult section of DMOZ vs. the main DMOZ directory?

steveb

WebmasterWorld Senior Member steveb us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1600 posted 9:32 pm on Jun 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

worker, I think your main question is unanswerable. You could search for previous "adult penalty" threads here where people speculate but nobody can answer. Those prior threads though just talk about if there is a search engine penalty against sites labeled as adult, no direct connection to dmoz. Obviously though what you are fearing is possible... if a site is in an Adult directory maybe some switch is thrown somewhere.

If the category you see you could be listed in seems like it might bring you any traffic from ODP or the Google Directory, if the page you would be listed on would bring you any benefit PR-wise, then I'd think getting listed makes more sense than not... but you aren't going to get a definitive answer from anybody.

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