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Not indexed on Google and ODP after 6 months!
chelseaandco




msg:481670
 3:27 pm on May 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

Please help! I'm kinda a newbie. I've submitted my gift website about once a month since February and its not being indexed AT ALL by Google! I've submitted many times to ODP too, and not listed there as well. I'm running out of money paying for paid Google AdWords. I've read SEO books and seem to be doing everything as recommended. I've gotten many reciprocal links on my site. Please help, I'm ready to pull my hair out. <snip>
Thanks,
Michele

[edited by: engine at 1:54 am (utc) on June 1, 2003]
[edit reason] No urls, thanks. See TOS [webmasterworld.com] [/edit]

 

ukgimp




msg:481671
 3:35 pm on May 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hello Michele

Welcome to WebmasterWorld

>> once a month since February

the odp is voluntary and quite snowed under. Some categories are backed up. Do your self a favour and donít submit again. If you go to the ODP forum and havea look at the charter there is a mention of a site (resource zone) where you can ask about your submission. Again that is volunatary.

To get into google you need inbound links. Try other directories (goguides, joeant, niche ones). I happen to know there are loads for gift sites. Approach them.

>>I've gotten many reciprocal links on my site

This is the biggest worry that you have not been listed yet. There could be another reason. Do you see Googlebot in your logs at all? It is possible that you donít have enough text on your pages or you linking structure is not allowing Google to crawl properly (javascript links etc).

You might wish to remove reference to your site, it is not really allowed here.

Cheers

ogletree




msg:481672
 3:35 pm on May 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

You need to take your URL out of your post it is against the rules. If you go to google and type in site:www.domain.com -asdf you have one listing in Google. You need to try to get yourself more links from other sites with higher PR. Also thing are a mess right now. My site only has links in google from March.

ukgimp




msg:481673
 3:41 pm on May 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

You have huge query strings in your URL, they will not do you any favours. Google and others can have difficulty with them.

There is acres of white space, which again wont be doing you much good.

I would say you need some good static looking text content.

Pedent




msg:481674
 3:44 pm on May 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

Every time you resubmit to the ODP you move your site to the bottom of the unreviewed queue.

By default, unreviewed sites are listed in order of submission, with only one date attached to each site. By resubmitting your site, you give your site a new submission date, and move it back to the bottom of the queue.

Not that this is likely to be a major factor in the delay in reviewing your site, just that resubmitting your site frequently won't help, and might harm your chances of it being reviewed soon.

Or so I read, anyway...

cheethebee




msg:481675
 3:56 pm on May 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

The urls look like they would be a problem. You have just the one main index file from.

Also the date is appearing as hidden text on my machine... this may also be causing a problem... make sure you look at the log files.

chelseaandco




msg:481676
 4:09 pm on May 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi Everyone,
Thanks for all the good input. Now, the next question: Most of this is over my head, what I've done so far I've winged it from reading books. Now, the next question: Where can I find someone honest and talented who can fix all this for me without charging an arm and a leg? Any personal recommendations/takers?
Michele

Powdork




msg:481677
 7:19 pm on May 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

I imagine your sticky mail is rather full by now:). I tink you have sufficient links to do the trick and your pages are optomised reasonably well also. Try a site search here for 'dynamic url google' and that will give you more information than you can use. That combined with Google's current (if it can be called current) update (if it can be called an update) are your main two worries.
Also, I would add some unique content. If you search for almost any terms from the product pages, which are the vast majority of your site, the results will be full of pages with the exact same phrases associated with the exact same product. Feed the GoogleBot.

coosblues




msg:481678
 3:16 am on Jun 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

You can inquire about your ODP submission at their resource zone site. That won't get you listed any sooner, but they can often tell you where your site sits in the que, and it will be noted to the editor of the category you submitted to that you have made a request, although, as many have stated the ODP is a bit understaffed.

motsa




msg:481679
 4:22 am on Jun 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>...it will be noted to the editor of the category you submitted to that you have made a request...

Just wanted to clarify the above to note that in most cases the editor of the category will have no idea of your request at RZ unless they frequent RZ.

takagi




msg:481680
 6:25 am on Jun 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi Michele, two remarks,

1. Other members already mentioned the main page is indexed by Google. So you don't need to submit your site at Google anymore. But none of the sub pages is indexed. They all have 3 parameters ('id', 'pageid' and 'fuseaction') and the value for 'id' is incremented everytime I reload the page. So 'id' seems to be a session-id. Search enginges like Google, don't like to index pages with a session-id.

2. A lot of the links to your site are rather new. Recently Google didn't update the links, so the PageRank of your homepage is most likely to get better as soon as Google updates these links.

takagi




msg:481681
 6:40 am on Jun 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

One extra remark. As far as I can see, your site is basically an affiliate site for different companies. It is rare for ODP to add such sites to their directory. So don't expect too much from ODP.

chelseaandco




msg:481682
 1:41 pm on Jun 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thank you so much everyone! Really appreciated.
Michele

[edited by: Laisha at 4:38 pm (utc) on June 1, 2003]
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cornwall




msg:481683
 4:22 pm on Jun 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

I notice that you are using a link farm, which may (or may not) be classed as a bad neighbourhood by Google

Have a look at [webmasterworld.com...]

Then do site search here at WebmasterWorld and on Google using combinations of the name of the link farm plus "ban" / "bad"/ "banned" ...etc, to see what sort of problem it represents

You G toolbar is not zero, more like .1 or .2 , and I would guess you have incurred a penalty of some sort

farside847




msg:481684
 6:06 pm on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have been waiting patiently since January. SIX solid months, and still no listing.

Every month I go to resource-zone and ask the status and every time I am told that I an in the queue.

I work for a well known e-commerce site that sells movies.
I have only submitted once to this category.
I have 30,000+ pages indexed by Google.
I have a PR5 root url.

Is this some kind of joke or does the DMOZ site just hate me?

cornwall




msg:481685
 6:13 pm on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>I go to resource-zone and ask the status and every time I am told that I an in the queue. <<

That is all they can tell you, whether you are in the queor or have been scrubbed. Posting there does not expedite your position in the queue.

There is little point in complaining publically about the delays, it is unlikely to help, and could hinder :(

All you can do is sit and wait...and wait...and...

Anyway it is free and you could spend the waiting time getting other (better) links, paying if necessary

chelseaandco




msg:481686
 6:18 pm on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

Ok, so its just not my site.
Michele

farside847




msg:481687
 6:33 pm on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

>That is all they can tell you, whether you are in the
>queor or have been scrubbed. Posting there does not
>expedite your position in the queue.

I understand this, I only ask once a month, to the orginial thread, to make sure my site has not been dumped out of the running.

chelseaandco




msg:481688
 7:05 pm on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

Ok, sorry for sounding like a total idiot, but how do I access DMOZ "resource zone"? I didn't see that on their site.
Michele

victor




msg:481689
 7:43 pm on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

chelseaandco: the forum charter for this WebmasterWorld forum lists the URL for Resource Zone....The charter doesn't allow us to list the URL directly.

cornwall




msg:481690
 8:28 pm on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

..

or it (even) comes up on Google on typing that in as a search ;)

steveb




msg:481691
 10:21 pm on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

"Is this some kind of joke or does the DMOZ site just hate me?"

If nobody, including you, cares to edit whatever category you are waiting in, it won't get edited. Do you hate yourself?

farside847




msg:481692
 10:36 pm on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>If nobody, including you, cares to edit whatever category you are waiting in

Funny you should ask, I did apply to edit this category. Since I have 6+ years
experience in this particular field I thought I would be a shoe-in. But I was
declined, within 15 minutes no less.

In my "decline" email, DMOZ suggested I start out applying for a less popular
category. So I applied again to what I would have thought a much smaller category,
but still in my field of expertise. I was declined the next day.

They declined me so fast, in fact, that it got me thinking. This is a system that
requires volunteers to edit new listings, but evidently it is very hard for them
to accept new volunteers. Therefore it would seem to me that it would be very
difficult for them to ever have enough people to do the work that needs to be
done to keep the listing accurate and somewhat fresh. (my category has not been
updated for at least the last 6 months I have watched it, most likely longer)

Now, it is very possible that I do not posses a quality that they deem necessary
to become an editor. I will be the first one to say that I do not know everything
about everything. But I do know my business, and have been quite successful for
years. I am sure they had a good reason to decline me, but it escapes me.

just my two cents.

steveb




msg:481693
 10:46 pm on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

Are there twenty sites or less in the category you applied for?

Does your home town have a regional listing? Apply for a tiny category there. If you spent as much time writing a good application in understandable english for a small category as you did that last post, you'd be an editor this month.

If you just apply to a huge category untouched for months with the intent to just list your own site, then that is a different story.

The ODP is a volunteer organization, but if a person doesn't have the commitment to figure out how to sensibly apply to be an editor, nor the commitment to try again after being turned down, then they likely wouldn't have made much of a volunteer.

g1smd




msg:481694
 10:51 pm on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

If you apply for a small (less than 30 sites) category, in a part of the directory far away from spammy areas, and places where editor bias could happen, find three good sites and write an accurate title and description then getting in is a no-brainer. Once you have proved you can edit well, then you get to move on to other categories. Prior experience in a subject doesn't automatically mean that you will be any good at editing.

Meta editors who review applications probably see far too many applications that are for categories that are too large for a newbie to take on, or are in areas where it is likely that the applicant just wants to get their own site listed, or delete the competition. Apply again for something like a hobby or informational category, or even your own town in the Regional branch of the directory.

A rejection in 15 minutes meant that there was an obvious (obvious to the reviewer, that is) problem with your application. If they asked you to apply to a smaller category, then you obviously showed merit in your first application.

cornwall




msg:481695
 10:23 am on Jun 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

If you really want people to volumteer to edit at DMOZ, then jumping on someone who has (apparently) genuinely tried to become an editor, will not get you converts from lurkers reading this forum!

The page an aspiring editor will first find on DMOZ is quite breezy

Signing up is easy: choose a topic you know something about and join. Editing categories is a snap. We have a comprehensive set of tools for adding, deleting, and updating links in seconds. For just a few minutes of your time you can help make the Web a better place, and be recognized as an expert on your chosen topic.

Nothing said about

>>Are there twenty sites or less in the category you applied for?

>>If you apply for a small (less than 30 sites) category note different advice

>>in a part of the directory far away from spammy areas

>>and [away from] places where editor bias could happen

>>Apply again for something like a hobby or informational category

The aspiring editor can (eventually) find another DMOZ page that says

In general, applicants should take care to apply to a small, underdeveloped category at first. Generally, applicants who apply for too broad of a category are asked to narrow their focus, and apply for a lower level category. We view the application as an indication of how you will edit.

Don't you think it would be (more) helpful to amend the official page on advice to editors to tell them exactlt what DMOZ want.

On a personal level I would hope that posts in WebmasterWorld would convey to the readers here that DMOZ was a "pleasant" place to edit. Otherwise readers take in what is written here, shrug and walk away with the thought that it is not worth the aggro of applying to be an editor. And the implication is that DMOZ needs editors!

John_Caius




msg:481696
 10:37 am on Jun 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Cornwall, I think that's a very sensible post and I'll bring this up in the internal forums. Thanks.

steveb




msg:481697
 11:28 am on Jun 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Nobody jumped on anybody. A person was given sensible advice. It's not like this advice isn't given multiple times a week here. It's not like the advice is hard to follow up on. Anyone who is literate and honest can easily become a dmoz editor by reading what is posted here by inumerable editors each week. Unfortunately a lot of people would rather complain than actually do something about it, as if the problem they want to see dealt with is someone else's responsibility.

Could the official application text be amended?
Possibly.
Could I hide my girlfriend's credit card so she couldn't find it?
Possibly.

But both those are not as easy as posting on Webmasterworld:
I've been turned down to be an editor. Does anyone have any suggestions?

kctipton




msg:481698
 3:18 pm on Jun 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

This isn't an issue for a forum discussion here, is it? -- how ODP should rewrite its publicly available texts and also make it easier to become an editor?

I am sorry that my eager co-editors are giving out advice which contradicts what others {editors and noneditors) give out -- but, hey, commentary in WebmasterWorld is free. Take it for what it's worth. The official texts covering becoming an editor are clear and not hard to find. We should refer to them _only_ and not start adding pseudorules and/or misinformation into the mix. There's a germ of truth in what these folks are suggesting, but since it isn't "in" the ODP official documents it probably shouldn't be sounding so much like the Gospel Truth. If you want to really believe what someone says about becoming an editor, it probably should be postings from current meta-editors at ODP (and several of them lurk and post here). Even then, they can't say stuff which supercedes the ODP's official documents about the matter.

Back to the topic of the thread... If the original poster is submitting to the same category once a month then it probably is still sitting there awaiting review. Will it be listed? Has she looked at the ODP guidelines for editors which covers what is or is not acceptable, listable content? It's possible that the site is so unoriginal or affiliate-laden that it would never get listed in ODP and Google might notice a problem as well.

chelseaandco




msg:481699
 3:57 pm on Jun 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi,
I am the original lister. I only have a couple of affiliate links on my whole site. Secondly, you can only say so much about gift baskets. I tried to be creative and offer some different products, but when it comes down to it, there are only so many different kinds of gift baskets.

Check my site out and tell me if its bad. I think I just need a whole re-do.

By the way, THANK YOU everyone for all your helpful hints. I've really learned alot here.
Michele
<snip>

[edited by: NFFC at 9:22 pm (utc) on June 10, 2003]
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