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loverty

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Msg#: 1466 posted 2:06 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Is it essential for the classified Directories£¿
Many persons who research search engine technology take a fancy to the classified catalogue at all .They say Directory
isn't a search engine.it is true or not? Two ponit:
1.If you are a searcher ,include some search engine fans,and some persons who research search engine technology,and profesional persons.you will say it is right.
And I will say "ok".Because It isn't a true Search engine.
2.If you are a common net user,you can't understand many things on search engine.you will say classified Directories is a search engine.it is right,too.
why? because the net search for web developed from Lycos,Yahoo!,etc..these are Directories.besides in that period these are best assitant to user on search .so they are search engine.But in fact if we talk about Full-text search, match accurately ,they can't do anything.so they aren't search engine.
So the question is appearing out.Now this full-text search engine should have a Directories,or not .First google haven't,but now it Purchased Open Directory Project.
he supply the Directories.And the result is better¡£
In chinese search engine such as Openfind.com£¬Baidu.com ect..They haven't the Directories.it essential for the classified Directories£¿
I think it is essential.Train elementary netizen, it quick-moving, easy to use, It is a catalogue , look for according to the order. Present search engine become one ¡°fool tool¡±£¨in chinese it means the simplest£© £¬but it is difficult to make good use .

 

brotherhood of LAN

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Msg#: 1466 posted 2:26 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Loverty, welcome to WW.

No offence but did you use an online translator there? :)

They say Directory isn't a search engine.it is true or not

Search engines use algorithms, directories use editors. Engines are automated and directories are human edited.

Maybe someone can provide a few WW references, as it has been discussed here once or twice I believe.

Perhaps there is a good balance in using both directories and search engines. "Humans do it best", though computers can do it quicker. I believe the whole idea of inventing a computer is for it to do jobs its capable of doing, without sacrificing quality ;)

Quality is subjective though.....

loverty

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Msg#: 1466 posted 2:32 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

hee,my english is too poor.i will goodgood study to make a dayday up.thanks.

loverty

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Msg#: 1466 posted 2:36 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

your point are true .but we must think from managing.

jdMorgan

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Msg#: 1466 posted 2:40 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

BOL,

It seems to me that loverty's point is that portals need a directory feature in order to provide any easy search "training mechanism" for new users. Being more like a telephone directory arranged according to business categories, it may be easier for beginners to use than full-text search. (Many poorly-constructed search phrases I've seen in my logs bear this out!)

loverty,

Welcome to WebmasterWorld [webmasterworld.com]!

Interestingly, both Openfind and Baidu seem to use the ODP or derivative directories as "seed" data when building their indexes. I have never submitted any of my sites to either of these search engines, but have been well-spidered by both.

Jim

brotherhood of LAN

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Msg#: 1466 posted 2:41 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Although Google is a search engine, they claim to be "like a catalogue of the web".

The people at the search engines would like you to believe they are managing it like people could :)

Though now and again you see distinct flaws with an automated system like Google, though they continue to improve, and are the best "engine" to date.

- Froogle sometimes matches up the wrong picture/price/information with a product
- News stories are delayed (and are sometimes innacurate?)

On the other side of the coin

-People claim DMOZ is stale, and would benefit from more automation.
-It's also been claimed that editors sometimes are motivated to put listings where "quality" would say otherwise :)

It's a tough one to call.

Personally, I use Google "web" most of the time, and hardly use "directory" at all.

//added
JD, I'll read the post again, scuse me while I sit here off-topic :)

At least we know the difference between the two for the thread...heh

John_Caius

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Msg#: 1466 posted 6:41 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

"Personally, I use Google "web" most of the time, and hardly use "directory" at all."

Although of course being listed in "directory" has a significant impact on where you are listed in "web" results.

rfgdxm1

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Msg#: 1466 posted 6:46 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

>Although of course being listed in "directory" has a significant impact on where you are listed in "web" results.

In most cases, no. Getting in the ODP just is one link, and usually in a low PR cat. If an ODP listing does have significant impact on search results, the the topic of the site must not be very competitive.

John_Caius

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Msg#: 1466 posted 9:52 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Ok, I take your point, but look at it another way - for many competitive search terms, all the top sites are listed somewhere in the ODP. Maybe not in spammy competitive areas where the top results go against ODP guidelines, but certainly in non-spammy competitive areas.

rfgdxm1

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Msg#: 1466 posted 10:44 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

For competitive search terms, except for the spammers that find a way to cheat to get in, the sites that come up high tend to be old, established sites. Which means after all this time not only did they get into the ODP, but also have lots of inbound links from other sites.

John_Caius

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Msg#: 1466 posted 11:12 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Right, so it's not the ODP link itself that causes it to rank well, but it's a marker of being an established and quality site. Of course, many sites use the ODP (or Google Directory) as the first-stop resource to building up their links to quality sources of information. So the ODP link is both directly and indirectly gaining you inbound links.

rfgdxm1

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Msg#: 1466 posted 11:38 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Obviously, if other sites that decide to link to you find you through the ODP, then the ODP is gaining you more inbound links. Although, from what I have read from other webmasters the ODP doesn't bring in that much traffic. This might depend on the nature of the site, though.

loverty

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Msg#: 1466 posted 1:02 am on Apr 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

who can provide some data about Google search and Open Directories.thanks very much .

loverty

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1466 posted 1:36 am on Apr 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

BOL,your point are similar to my friend who like search engine and make a great achievement¡£He thinks categories
is not essential.the reason is similar to you .thanks.

ettore

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Msg#: 1466 posted 12:57 pm on Apr 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

>> who can provide some data about Google search and Open Directories.thanks very much

I'm just analyzing March logs for one of my sites. Four domains (one per each language) crosslinked on a per-page basis, same company/topic. Not a top competitive area but quite a niche one, whereas there are several millions pages in Google for a few of the keywords we target. Rankings are acceptable in all International and most local SEs and Dirs, with top30 positions for nearly all our target kwds, and some #1 here and there.

With some 14,000 uniques in March, referrals from the ODP (Dmoz.org site) categories where the sites are listed account for 0,1% of the overall traffic, while referrals from Google account for 62 %. OTOH, 12% of this 62% came from the Google Directory, the remaining 88% from Google search.

Moreover, visitors coming from the ODP tend to visit the first 3-4 pages, whereas visitors coming from the Google directory tent to stay longer, and visit more pages. This makes me believing that the formers are just competitors checking their own sites and/or making a quick tour on competitors' sites, while the latters are more likely to be customers looking for the services offered.

loverty

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Msg#: 1466 posted 12:00 am on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Directories is useful to these who have no a subject to do .only want to read some message .so perhaps Directories
can't bring you much pageview,but the netizen need it .

rfgdxm1

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Msg#: 1466 posted 1:46 am on Apr 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

>With some 14,000 uniques in March, referrals from the ODP (Dmoz.org site) categories where the sites are listed account for 0,1% of the overall traffic, while referrals from Google account for 62 %. OTOH, 12% of this 62% came from the Google Directory, the remaining 88% from Google search.

Is anyone seeing anything comparable in their logs about such a high percentage of Google hits coming from the directory? I just checked my main site for March. The Google search engine brings in something like 150 times more hits than the directory. As for dmoz.org, I see around .1% also.

loverty

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Msg#: 1466 posted 12:35 am on Apr 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Analysis from these data,we can know Number of people who use index to surf is still very many ¡£The scientific, easy spending of the catalogue is an important , which Influence user spend time on catalogue of needing directly.

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