| 7:38 pm on Feb 16, 2003 (gmt 0)|
>It's been over 1 month now, and my site not been listed in DMOZ.org, is this normal?
It can be I've had sites in the past listed within 1 week others 6 mths it all depends on the editor
>if they decide not to include my site, will I get notified?
Again I think it's down to the editor, I've never had a site rejected
| 7:54 pm on Feb 16, 2003 (gmt 0)|
A month is not a long time.
You are extremely unlikely to hear from an editor whether you are accepted or not.
To check if you site is there, don't just use the DMOZ search -- that often lags weeks behind. Drill down through the categories to the cat you submitted to. However, this won't find your site if it has been published in, or passed over to, a different category.
[edited by: Laisha at 4:26 pm (utc) on Feb. 17, 2003]
[edit reason] per charter [/edit]
| 4:05 am on Feb 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
>It can be I've had sites in the past listed within 1 week others 6 mths it all depends on the editor
Or, more likely the lack of an editor. I've reviewed submissions at the ODP that were over 2 years old. This had nothing to do with any editor intentionally deciding to ignore them. This was simply a case of a branch of the ODP with a shortage of (volunteer) editors.
As far as being notified of approval, there is no provision in the ODP software to do this. While it is possible some editors may do this manually, it is exceedingly unlikely. The ODP definitely doesn't particularly encourage this. It would make more sense to want ODP editors reviewing sites in the queue than e-mailing submitters.
| 11:52 am on Feb 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Editors are advised not to contact submitters especially when rejecting sites, as the submitter is unlikely to agree with the editor and it commonly degenerates into a very difficult e-mail discussion, often resulting in the submitter threatening to sue the editor for loss of earnings. For the record, law suits against the ODP are passed on to the owners of the ODP, AOL Time Warner (via Netscape), and are therefore rarely carried through.
| 12:01 pm on Feb 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
>I've reviewed submissions at the ODP that were over 2 years old.
:( No wonder people get frustrated with Dmoz
| 1:57 pm on Feb 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Although it should be noted that rfgdxm1 is not editing in a particularly commercial area of the directory. There are many backwaters that receive few submissions per month and therefore also few editor visits. I don't know what the longest unreviewed times are in the high-submission areas but I guess that a range of about three months to one year with a mean of about six months would be fairly accurate.
Sites are not always edited in date order - editors will typically throw out the spam and list the easy sites first. What's an easy site - well typically an authoritative resource, a root domain (not www.keyword1-keyword2-keyword3.com) rather than a deeplink, title is the title of the site plus a well-written, succinct, grammatically-correct and non-keyword-stuffed description without the title repeated.
Keyword-stuffed sites with limited content or that are unclear as to whether or not they are affiliate sites may be left in unreviewed by one editor until a more experienced editor comes along to make a decision. Alternatively the site may have been submitted to the wrong category and the editor forwards it to a very long misplaced unreviewed queue elsewhere for a more experienced editor to put it in the correct unreviewed queue. That's typically when sites are in unreviewed for a very long time. Otherwise it might be a directory backwater. Different editors edit at different speeds and have different criteria for inclusion/deletion/keeping in unreviewed for later. That's the nature of the beast.
| 5:29 pm on Feb 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
>Although it should be noted that rfgdxm1 is not editing in a particularly commercial area of the directory.
Which in most cases usually means shorter queues and wait times than commercial areas. Commercial cats tend to get a lot of spam submissions. Not only does this slow editors down trying to review them, finding editors who are willing to volunteer to do so often isn't easy. I think the reason that I was finding such old greens was these cats were something like 4 levels down from the top level cat, and there were no editors in between all the way up to the top. There is no way that these top level editors can know where the oldest greens are in their branch, short of checking every last cat in it. It just so happened that in this neck of the woods at the ODP nobody had looked in for a long time.
| 6:21 pm on Feb 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
In the area of the directory that you keep so admirably under control, yes that's true. The cats that you have recently cleaned up are exactly what I was describing as directory backwaters - "It just so happened that in this neck of the woods at the ODP nobody had looked in for a long time". Other examples that might come under this description could include celebrities who are no longer celebrities, films that are no longer in the cinema and aren't considered classics, fads that are no longer fashionable. :)
| 8:54 pm on Feb 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I wouldn't exactly consider my cats to be backwaters. For those interested, I edit the ODP substance abuse and recreational drugs cats. While many people may not use drugs recreationally, almost certainly they know someone with a substance abuse problem, so this cat space would be relevant to most people. For whatever reason, a lot of these ODP cats just haven't been attracting editors. And, it turned out the biggest backlog I has to deal with was in the one notably commercial area of my cat space: substance abuse centers. I don't believe that there is a single editor in that branch, and that was where I was finding most of the submissions over a year old.
| 12:06 pm on Feb 20, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I submitted my site, and have now been waiting two months to have it listed. I checked the status and was told it was in the que. I don't want to contact the editor for my category because I think its in bad form. If its in a que, then its in a que.
But, how do I know if there's no editor for the category? Maybe _that's_ why its been sitting there so long. Is there anything else that can be done to push the site through? Any other contacts?
| 12:19 pm on Feb 20, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Look at the bottom of the section you are submitting to it will either give a name or say "this section has no editor" or something like that
| 1:18 pm on Feb 20, 2003 (gmt 0)|
|Look at the bottom of the section you are submitting |
It will also tell you at the bottom of the page when that category was last edited
| 2:59 pm on Feb 20, 2003 (gmt 0)|
But remember that any cat can and will get edited by editors further up the tree. There is no category that has no editor (i.e. doesn't get edited), only categories that don't have their own dedicated editor.
| 3:01 pm on Feb 20, 2003 (gmt 0)|
You can always follow the link that says "Volunteer to edit this category" and join the ODP team yourself. Editors can list their own sites, so long as they don't give them preference over other sites in the way they are listed or the speed at which they are listed and make sure that they conform to the editing guidelines at all times.
| 4:36 pm on Feb 20, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Is it kosher to ask an editor at a higer level to look at a particular category for outstanding submissions? From the date at the bottom, the one I'm interested in was edited last over 50 days ago.
| 5:27 pm on Feb 20, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Sorry rfgdxm, I wasn't meaning to get at you. Anyone with a decent sized cat space like yours will know, as you describe, that there are some areas that get a lot of submissions and a lot of editing attention, whilst there are others that get very few submissions and hence relatively little editor attention. I wasn't describing your whole cat space. :)
| 4:23 am on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I'll concede Recreation/Drugs isn't a hotbed of submission activity. If I logged in only once a month and reviewed all the sites submitted in the last 30 days, this would take less than a few hours. Health/Addictions however is reasonably active. Unlike cats about celebreties that are no longer celebrities, people having substance abuse problems will always be an issue that has lots of current interest. Sadly.
| 5:34 am on Feb 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I'd like to know the answer to aagha's question too.
Also, how long must an editor let a site sit in the unreviewed queue before it becomes a problem?
I'm thinking about a category where sites do get added on a reasonably regular basis. Many of the recent adds have a bit of a political slant to them. Which is fine; you find sites as you visit them and your personal taste takes you where it will. Unfortunately, mine slants in the opposite direction and my site just never seems to make it into the directory.
I am very hesitant to use the word "abuse" because I know I have an extremely limited view of the big picture: the editor's other cats, the number of current unreviewed sites, and so forth. Maybe "selective neglect" would be a better term. Or am I just impatient and paranoid?
I asked about mine and got a response in something like 10 minutes.
[edited by: Laisha at 6:46 am (utc) on Feb. 28, 2003]
[edit reason] Delinkified. See Charter. [/edit]
| 8:52 am on Feb 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Binki -- For one, I've decided to sign up for an editor in my category. My site is STILL not listed (3 months now) and I'm getting sick and tired of waiting.
The category for which I submitted my site isn't allowing any more editors, so I signed up for another, parallel category. I'm hoping that as my karma goes up for editing, I can move up the list, and maybe start editing the categor I do care about.
Still, I'd like to know from someone (like you would), if it's ok to ask a high-up editor to take a look at your category. If anyone knows, please post.
| 9:41 am on Feb 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
one month is very long, fashezee!
there are some ways you could make it faster:
1) go to the resource-zone-forum and ask for your status
2) contact the editor in a very nice way and ask why your site hasn't been added,- most editors will give you at least a short answer
3) if the editor doesn't give you a response after 5-7 days, then go one category higher and ask another editor
most editors at odp are really nice people :-)
(this is at least true for the german part of the directory)
| 10:20 am on Feb 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Thx for the suggestion. Having waited for 3 months, I feel like I'm dying.
I checked the status already, and was told I was in the que with a dozen other sites, so I think my branch is just neglcted since it's so specific. I'll try your suggestion though!
| 12:14 pm on Feb 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
1 month! Good god man, you'll be lucky if anyone has looked at in in 6 months time! Most cats don't even have an editor and you will have to wait for one from the cat above to get around to it! They are volunters and have to work like the rest of us.
Will they notify you! Are you crazy? Get an email from one the gods! Never! It would of course be a clever idea to notify people as 90% of all inquiries at the resource zone want to know what ever happened to their submission! If they saved all the time it takes dealing with those inquiries they could then invest it in dealing with new submissions!
| 1:24 pm on Feb 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
|Most cats don't even have an editor |
Can you supply a source for this statistic, please?
| 1:47 pm on Feb 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
(sorry about the resource zone link, Laisha--I thought a link was OK as long as it wasn't to a site I had a personal interest in)
| 3:09 pm on Feb 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
|Can you supply a source for this statistic, please? |
Most cat don't have a *named* editor, but all cats have an editor responsible for them somewhere. There are about 5,000 *active* editors looking after 460,000 categories. Some parts of the directory are well looked after, others neglected because of the sheer scale of the thing.
There *are* *some* unreviewed sites from 1999 in there. Or you could get your site reviewed and added the same day.
Some categories sit around with less than 1% unreviewed sites. Some have far more unreviewed sites than listed ones.
| 3:36 pm on Feb 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Yes I can. My eyes! Quickly select 10 different cats and drill down to see how few editors there are!
| 3:48 pm on Feb 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I edit about 15 categoriess of which precisely three have my editor name on.
If I edit Widgets my name does not propagate down to Widgets/Internal or Widgets/Mass_Destruction. These categories do have an editor -- me -- and I may even have created them. But they don't carry my name.
It's misleading true, but that's the way it is.
Let your eyes drift up to Dynamoo who makes the same point.
| 4:12 pm on Feb 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Just did a quick review and most cats I looked at state "this cat needs an editor".
| 4:58 pm on Feb 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Tony, that's "advertising" for new editors. Any editor directly above has rights to edit in the lower category. I've only got my name on the ones I applied for but can and do edit in the lower categories belonging to them.
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