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Who is UltimateSearch?
I find ultimatesearch everywhere. Who are they?
foozhitao




msg:468861
 10:28 pm on Jul 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

I do a lot of surfing and come across all sorts of directories. Lately the most common has been ultimatesearch.com. I always like to see who is related, where companies are located etc. but I can't seem to find any really solid information on UltimateSearch. Does anyone know who they are?

 

Shak




msg:468862
 10:31 pm on Jul 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

The Godfathers of dropped domains out in HongKong...

Shak

jeremy goodrich




msg:468863
 10:32 pm on Jul 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

There is a contact in Hong Kong, if you are patient, you can reach them through that email addy in their whois. Keep in mind, they may not respond.

From what I understand, they buy up domains (you can figure that much out I'm sure) and they were the first to come up with a particular business model, which is now immitated by lots of other companies (though I don't know of a predecessor, I guess there could be).

And they also partner with PPC companies to split the revenue, from what I understand, that is the basis of their revenue generation activity. And at least one moderator here has had business with them in the past, who may or may not wish to announce it publically ;)

Shak




msg:468864
 10:35 pm on Jul 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

publically

Shak

jeremy goodrich




msg:468865
 10:40 pm on Jul 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

he he he, well, you were the bloke I had in mind ;) I talked to them back in the day once as well but we couldn't "reach a deal" which is probably for the best, given the historical circumstance.

SlowMove




msg:468866
 10:44 pm on Jul 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

They probably have millions of sites, but hardly any backlinks. I guess they don't need them with all those domain names.

foozhitao




msg:468867
 11:15 pm on Jul 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

HongKong? I'd imagine they are doing pretty well for themselves:)

tschild




msg:468868
 11:31 pm on Jul 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

They probably have millions of sites, but hardly any backlinks. I guess they don't need them with all those domain names.

If I understand their modus operandi correctly backlinks are essential for them - not for SEO (as duplicate content filters probably filter them out if the respective search engine does not ban them outright) but for direct clicks from links that point to the site which used to be on that domain.

That's why they snap up expired domain names instead of registering unused ones.

See e.g. this article [books.guardian.co.uk]. You will notice that the Poetry Society seems to have got their domain name back since then, so legal action just might have worked against them.

SlowMove




msg:468869
 11:38 pm on Jul 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

Check this out. They've got their own page at dmoz and it's not good.

[dmoz.org...]

dauction




msg:468870
 12:50 am on Jul 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

Slowmove, what do you mean "it's not good"

It's great news..

The idea that the Pricewaterhouse Coopers somehow has a right to pwc.com is ludicrous..

Go to [uspto.gov...] and do a trademark search for PWC and you see over 62 trademarks...

As long as UltSearch isn't infringing on any of those TM's , he can do what he wants with the domain..

Ult search relies on Type-in traffic , either from top premiunm domains or from expired so-so domains that have developed traffic ..(they sidestep the middle man..you know SE's like Google.. they dont have to play this goofy SEO game..

I think what makes most people upset is the fact they ..well they are damn good at what they do.. I know I get a streak of envy at what he has accomplished..

SlowMove




msg:468871
 1:01 am on Jul 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>what do you mean "it's not good"
I meant the dmoz category.

They've got the pwc site now. I bet they paid a lot to get it.

Chris_R




msg:468872
 1:10 am on Jul 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have never gotten how they make money (they don't seem to try and sell the domains - people I know have had trouble trying to make offers). I guess they don't need to make that much a profit. Ten cents a day is I guess 5 times what they pay for the domains.

I have tried checking some of their domains through alexa - and they don't seem to even be on the radar many times. Maybe alexa people don't do type ins.

I have some semi type in domains, but the all have other traffic sources. I have always wondered what these domains could really bring in on just type ins....

SlowMove




msg:468873
 1:32 am on Jul 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have never gotten how they make money

They probably wait for someone like Price Waterhouse to put a lot of money on the table.

I've stumbled across sites that they own while checking links on links pages. There's a lot of link rot on the web, including the links on my sites :)

thewebboy




msg:468874
 2:04 am on Jul 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

"link rot" is crucial to ultimate search's success

jmccormac




msg:468875
 6:29 am on Jul 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Just reading this thread has given me a good product idea for directories and search engines. Perhaps if I can come up with a good name for it and Ultsearch has not grabbed it? ;) I've just coded up a prototype and it detected 91269 .com domains related to Ultsearch.

Regards...jmcc

jrobbio




msg:468876
 11:30 am on Jul 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Sounds interesting jmcc. I can't believe how much these domains can go for its ridiculous. Half a mil for a very popular e-mail client name that can't be claimed since its not their word.

I really hope .uk starts to be released sometime in the future as .us has done.

Rob

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