| 9:35 pm on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I guess we're not including Alltheweb here - they would be Nr. 1. All these referrers are in the double figures though - nothing to take any notice of IMHO.
| 10:03 pm on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Reminds me -> need to update the forum charter here. :)
Teoma - is 'mainstream' and part of Ask Jeeves [webmasterworld.com]. My question was essentially, intended to get a feel for what, if any, of the 'lessor known engines' actually get real people using them.
And which are simply web properties that collect dust.
| 10:21 pm on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Of some reason traffic from Gigablast and partners are increasing on all of my sites, I can figure out why! Why would anybody choose to use Gigablast? It is almost absurd!Anyway on of my sites they have risen up to beat ATW 14.2% to 9.4%. Now days I find myself submitting pages to Gigablast! I didn't think it was of any value to my clients concidering my hourly fee.
The Alternative Search engine that brings me most traffic is FAST/All the Web (ranging from 7.2% - enormus 38.8%). I also get significant some traffic AltaVista (It used to be a top search engine a long time ago), and from Inktomi partners. There is also some traffic now and then from the smaller players.
For most of my pages the traffic comes from Google and partners, and link partners (I trade/buy links for traffic not PR).
| 10:27 pm on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Just to re-convince myself that "none of the above" brought any appreciable traffic I checked a random site log analysis.
Of just over 63,000 unique visits, #50 of the referrers in volume terms showed 87 referrals in the time period, and still none of the above featured. Therefore you are talking about very small numbers
I should add that serps are good against the keywords that bring the traffic from "mainstream"
| 5:33 pm on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I have a number of small sites; checking the logs, well, there's a lot of sites that throw an occasional referral or two my way, that I haven't really checked out and suspect use Google data (glow.nl, mysearch.myway.com, go.com, qcksearch.com and some others), but of the ones mentioned here, it's SearchHippo by a long way, followed by DogPile (mainly through Google and Inktomi), Gigablast, and Excite, with the others showing no (or no appreciable) traffic in the last four months. :) Google and Ink still rule, alas.
| 6:26 pm on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)|
If you are talking about meaningful numbers of referrals, as opposed to trivia quiz, the answer (for me) is:
| 5:01 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)|
What I was after -> is, do people use these other SE's?
Yes, we *all* get referrals from Google & Inktomi ( I hope ). If we weren't, then we wouldn't be very good at what we do, right? :)
Even if it's a click or two today, what about tomorrow? Next year?
The right distribution for say, searchhippo or gigablast through the Infospace network, for example, would have me scrambling to make sure I had good placement. Their sites, in aggregate, drive a lot of traffic through the Google syndication for me (and NOT adwords related - the free stuff).
Point being, it's far better, imho - to stay one step ahead, than to play catch up later.
| 7:01 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I get the odd hit from IxQuick, DogPile & Excite. Nothing from Gigablast, SearchHippo, Vivisimo or WiseNut.
| 7:29 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I seem to remember I saw a hit from mama a few months back.
I get more traffic from other website links than 2nd and 3rd tier SE's.
I do get some traffic from ask.uk but then I have been paying for answer links, now they have just upped the minimum spend, and do not deliver the traffic - BYE BYE. I am doing just fine on Teoma and looking at G addwords so that sorts that.
As for the others you mention never seen em!
| 8:38 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)|
>>Point being, it's far better, imho - to stay one step ahead, than to play catch up later.<<
I agree entirely, and I am happy that I have good placement on these "other search engines", but I am still getting virually nothing from them as of now.
By the same token, I get a placement from the various "other directories" ...don't see a lot a traffic there either, but it is a link in each case, and you never know...
| 3:37 am on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Greetings and gidday from downunder folks
hate to be pedantic, but last time I looked, Vivisimo, IxQuick, DogPile, SearchHippo and Mamma, were meta search engines, which means they pull their results from real search engines.
And to answer the question, miniscule compared to G, Yahoo and suprise suprise, AV waking up again, but even a couple of referrals each per week adds up.
| 5:09 am on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I get an appreciable amount of traffic from second tier SEs, enough so that I would truly not want it to go away.
A very rough breakdown so far for June shows:
InfoSpace .6% (with MetaCrawler 1%)
GigaBlast, Vivisimo, Wisenut, etc., about .1% each
And then there's also a considerable amount of stuff coming from all those sites that appear to use the same "partner" engine. Haven't dug down to see how legitimate this is but adds up to more than 3%. Referring urls in awstats are all like this:
So it looks like a good number of folks do use these guys. I'll take 'em anywhere I find 'em.
| 11:35 am on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)|
|hate to be pedantic, but last time I looked, Vivisimo, IxQuick, DogPile, SearchHippo and Mamma, were meta search engines, which means they pull their results from real search engines. |
SearchHippo isn't a meta engine, it's a real spidering search engine.
| 12:04 pm on Jun 24, 2003 (gmt 0)|
1. Ask Jeeves
3. Info Space
(Ranked in order of declining number of refferals so far this year) :)
| 1:19 pm on Jun 24, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I get a nice bit of traffic via Dogpile, Excite and Metacrawler. In these instances the traffic is coming from Teoma/Ask db and some from the Ink backfill on Overture. To your point Jeremy: real people do use those metasearch engines, and I find especially Dogpile.
I also get traffic from ixquick: this is primarily through Teoma and Gigablast. I get very little directly from Gigablast.com but I get a nice bit from ixquick.
Some hits from Mamma again attributable to Teoma.
I get more hits directly from Searchhippo than I do directly from Gigablast.
W/ Organic Database -
Just for perspective: I probably get almost as much traffic from a clutch of specialized directories as I do many of these Alt. SE's put together. However, those top 3 metasearch engines do generate traffic.
| 12:04 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Well thanks to Esmerelda this month my SE Traffic comes from the following ( most to least )
Yahoo! ( Google SERPS )
Ask Jeeves / Teoma
AOL ( More Google SERPS )
| 5:03 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)|
BigJay, thanks for sharing that - but I was more after these 'unknown' engines, to see what kind of webmaster(s) actually get clicks from them.
As they represent the 'best of the rest' in many ways, it is a pretty interesting question: Would joe user actually touch something other than Google, Yahoo, or MSN?
The answer seems to be yes but the next question (which I'll leave for another thread) is: what's the future of these 'other engines'. :)
| 6:05 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)|
>>but the next question (which I'll leave for another thread) is: what's the future of these 'other engines'.
Cool. Hey, Jeremy lead us off that sounds interesting. :)
| 12:10 am on Jun 27, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Greetings and gidday from downunder folks,
>The answer seems to be yes but the next question (which I'll leave for another thread) is: what's the future of these 'other engines'. :)
I'd say OK, if they're sending traffic they must be getting used (and submitted to by webmasters! <grin>).
Guess it all depends on what their business model is, and how badly they need $ to keep their VCs (assuming they have them), off their backs. 'Cause we all know what happens when a good idea gets into bed with the filthy luche!
BTW, thanks to Fischerlaender for pointing out my mistake in an earlier post.
>SearchHippo isn't a meta engine, it's a real spidering search engine.
Must've been asleep!
Cheers and Hooroo
| 8:33 am on Jun 27, 2003 (gmt 0)|
| 8:39 am on Jun 27, 2003 (gmt 0)|
1. Ask Jeeves
2. All The Web - (very close together)
| 6:29 pm on Jun 27, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Peewhy, did you read the rest of this thread? We're talking about '3rd teir engines' and not '2nd or 1st teir' engines. :)
Alltheweb, is mainstream, as is Ask Jeeves. ;) If there is a forum with the engine's name on it here @ WebmasterWorld, that engine is much more 'mainstream' than the rest.
Try poking around at the start of the thread to check which engines we're discussing then perhaps you can fill us in on if you are actually getting traffic from any of those engines?.
| 8:36 pm on Jun 27, 2003 (gmt 0)|
| 10:42 pm on Jun 27, 2003 (gmt 0)|
US site born February 2003:
(Google related 2nd tier seach engine traffic by volume in descending order)
(Non Google related 2nd tier seach engine traffic by volume in descending order)
| 6:31 am on Jun 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Greetings and Gidday from downunder (again)
Guess I should answer the question this time eh?
Stats so far for June:
Gigablast - 0, even though I've submitted a couple of times
WiseNut - 2 refs
Yuntis - who?
Vivisimo - 6 refs (meta search engine)
OpenFind - 0 so far, although occassionally pops up
IxQuick - 30 (meta search engine)
DogPile - 59 (meta search engine)
Excite - .uk - 3, .fr - 1.
SearchHippo - 0
Kartoo - 0 but have seen it
Mamma - 23 (another meta se)
MyWay - 7
Other Alternative SEs including locals:
AV - 324, back with a vengence!
search.com - 114
webwombat.com.au - 80
netscape.com - 43
metacrawler.com - 27
info-world.com - 26
sympatico.ca - 26
xtramsn.co.nz - 23
teradex.com - 20 (based ODP as far as I can tell)
naver.com - 14 (.kr I think)
searchalot.com - 10
virgilio.it - 3
Other assortments pulling their results from meta/ODP/RSS feeds etc. single figures each month, too many to keep track of unless something suddenly happens to draw my attention to them.
Hope this is useful.
Cheers and Hooroo
|Big Man Yesterday|
| 7:26 am on Jun 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
3. Search Hippo
the rest- nothing
| 8:32 am on Jun 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
See post here: [webmasterworld.com...]
[edited by: jeremy_goodrich at 5:43 pm (utc) on June 30, 2003]
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