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Excite algo change?
littleman




msg:463003
 9:17 pm on May 31, 2001 (gmt 0)

I'm not sure if it is permanent but I am seeing some major changes in the pecking order.

 

agerhart




msg:463004
 9:19 pm on May 31, 2001 (gmt 0)

care to elaborate a tad?.......

FreeBee




msg:463005
 9:44 pm on May 31, 2001 (gmt 0)

littleman - we monitor a relatively small sample and haven't seen any major changes for a while now - perhaps we need to look a bit closer?

littleman




msg:463006
 10:41 pm on May 31, 2001 (gmt 0)

Well it is only in the more competitive areas I am promoting but I am seeing new pages in the top 10.

littleman




msg:463007
 1:51 am on Jun 10, 2001 (gmt 0)

Ha, I lost some sites! I guess I was pushing too hard.

startup




msg:463008
 2:17 am on Jun 10, 2001 (gmt 0)

<h2>
Comment tags
<no frames>
hidden text
seem to be the order of the day.

I do believe they are still counting clicks.

jeremy goodrich




msg:463009
 12:44 pm on Jun 10, 2001 (gmt 0)

Nice of you to notice that too, start up. The sites that I've seen in the past 6 months or so moving up the excite ladder have been pretty spammy.

Lot's of hidden text via the no frames trick, and a lot of hidden links the same way. I wish they would start focusing on ways of improving their algorithmic relevance, it seems to me that for a while now, the only shift they've made is their handling of links. Which we all know hasn't helped them.

I appreciate the fact that they are trying, but even their adult filter seems busted. Try searching for "movie camera." Completely innocent, right? I'd advise you not to search on this, though, because you'll find adult listings at the bottom of the SERP.

Really sad, in many ways, Excite.com has come to this. I guess if infoseek can go, though, anything is possible.

Robert Charlton




msg:463010
 4:25 pm on Jun 10, 2001 (gmt 0)

>>Really sad, in many ways, Excite.com has come to this.<<

Excite has been spam-filled for years (at least the last 3, since I've been paying attention), with many of the top 10 inevitably getting there by hidden text. It was so bad that I'd written them off... so for me the only good period has been since their big re-index this fall (I think it was this fall).

jeremy goodrich




msg:463011
 12:39 pm on Jun 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

He he he, but if you're one of those people getting there by all those spammy means, then it is a sad thing these recent changes. If not, then as you say, it's been a while since they were anything close to a decent engine.

What amazes me is the number of people that still shuffle through on those SERP's. I think it must be the whole captive audience thing, like MSN only on a much smaller scale. Or AOL, for that matter. Seems to be good traffic value in being both an SE and an ISP. Perhaps those are the kinds of partnerships that will enable the new players to rise?

I have thought for about a year, though, that all they have been doing is playing with their treatment of links.

Cough, I actually know of one very spammy technique that, surprisingly, worked across the board last summer, and now seems only stable in Inktomi and Excite. Something to do with set theory :) The pages were cloaked and had a link strucure that I dont' think anybody would touch now, but at the time, must have seemed like a good idea to somebody.

Oh, the set theory remark is about the link strategy, but I guess it could be applied to Ink and Excite, as in being a set of two very spam ridden engines :) IMHO.

Justin




msg:463012
 4:15 pm on Jun 20, 2001 (gmt 0)

I'm going to agree with you on this one Littleman. I didn't notice until today, after seeing that Excite grabbed my index page four times in one visit. However, after checking my page for a few popular keywords, I'm all of a sudden top ten for some of them! I've only been in excite for about 3 weeks, and I was buried in the beginning -- hopefully this will last. On a side note, does Excite ever spider past your home page (besides robots.txt), or is it necessary to pay for an LS or PT listing to get those pages indexed? Thanks :)

Justin

FreeBee




msg:463013
 4:35 pm on Jun 20, 2001 (gmt 0)

Justin, in the past we've only submitted the root page and left the rest. Maximum looks like 30 pages.

FreeBee




msg:463014
 4:40 pm on Jun 20, 2001 (gmt 0)

Whoaa I'm talking nonsense, looks like Excite picked up a 99 pages from one of our co.uk sites - obviously haven't been paying attention.

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