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Alexa Rankings and Results changing?
Alexa Rankings and Results changing?
dynamicwebs




msg:466841
 3:46 pm on Nov 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Has anyone else noticed a signigicant change in the results displayed by Alexa. I have noticed a significant drop in results across the board. Many sites which were once in the mid 100,000 are now showing up in the lower 100,000+. It appears as though the numbers have increased proportionately by about 80,000+. Again, and for example, a site which was once 60,000 is now around 140,000.

Interested to know what is going on and if anyone else is noticing a distinct change in the numbers?

Frank Beier

 

angiolo




msg:466842
 8:14 am on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have not this experience.
Have a look at WebmasterWorld rating: it is stil in the first 500....

dataguy




msg:466843
 12:50 pm on Nov 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld has dropped in Alexa as well in the past few months. It's all conspiracy theory of course, but the sites that I watch and I know to have had no significant change in traffic have dropped 20%-35% in the past 3 months.

Sites that I know have increased traffic by 20%-35% have pretty much the same Alexa rating as they did 3 months ago.

I would imagine if Alexa did an Algo change, they might want to phase it in gradually to keep down the complaints. There have been some changes over at Alexa in the past few months where there haven't been changes for years, so maybe this is the case.

For the record, please don't let this degrade into an "Alexa is for stupid people" thread.... If you understand how Alexa works and it's limitations, the information you can get from them is invaluable for internet marketing and can not be attained on such a grand scale so easily by any other method.

zootreeves




msg:466844
 9:15 pm on Nov 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

My has site dropped from about 5,000 to 35,000 even though there has been an increase in traffic

gramski




msg:466845
 9:21 pm on Nov 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have noticed that the Alexa "sites linking in" page shows much less links than last time I looked at it. It now only seems to show quality links (that is on topic genuine links). How this relates to actual alexa ranking I'm not sure.

Voxman




msg:466846
 1:24 am on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think it has more to do with programs like AdAware picking up on the fact that the Alexa toolbar is actually spyware. This is causing people to delete it... although delelting this particular toolbar is easier said then done. It has a way of coming back. During the last update for XP2 I ran AdAware again and lo an behold it was back again. (do they have someting going with Microsoft?)

Anyway, the results are easy to trick. Load the toolbar (if you dare) and visit your site every day and click on lots of pages. That probably explains how some companies have increased but overall... with the amount of people getting rid of the toolbar also can explain drop in numbers

dataguy




msg:466847
 1:40 am on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yeah, possibly, but I thought Alexa didn't report the number of people visiting a web site using their toolbar, but rather the ratio of people visiting a web site. I would think this would inherently mean that with fewer toolbars installed, their numbers might be less accurate, but it shouldn't necessarily mean a lower number of visitors being reported.

figment88




msg:466848
 2:27 am on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think more sites are spamming Alexa, so the legit ones drop down.

It's all a crock anyway.

Voxman




msg:466849
 6:40 am on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

"Yeah, possibly, but I thought Alexa didn't report the number of people visiting a web site using their toolbar, but rather the ratio of people visiting a web site. I would think this would inherently mean that with fewer toolbars installed, their numbers might be less accurate, but it shouldn't necessarily mean a lower number of visitors being reported."

Exactly the opposite. The results are totally based on their toolbar making it the most inaccurate useless stat on the web although there are a few that put emphasis on it. Doesn't mean a thing regarding amount of traffic.

dataguy




msg:466850
 2:46 pm on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

I sure wish we could have a logical/factual conversation about Alexa without it being hi-jacked. Did you read the post at the beginning of the thread?
For the record, please don't let this degrade into an "Alexa is for stupid people" thread....

Of course I've read the anecdotal evidence. You know, the posts that say "I installed the Alexa toolbar, visited my web site and clicked refresh 1,000 times and now my Alexa rating is below 10,000." In my own experience, I haven't seen anything close to this being possible.

You want to hear anecdotal evidence? Ok, in my experience, the people that I've known that hate Alexa are either trying to sell "high-traffic, established web sites" on eBay which have an Alexa rating of "No Data", or they don't understand the difference between hits and visitors.

While there is plenty of evidence that would suggest all of these statements are true, they really aren't given facts. But more importantly, this is not what this discussion is about.

Alexa is a tool in my toolbox. It's not the only tool I have, but if I didn't have it, I would certainly miss it as it plays a role unlike any other tool that is available. As for it being a the most useless stat on the web, what other stat is available for this information? I guess you could email each webmaster and ask how much traffic their web site gets, but I would bet that would be even more inaccurate/useless.

As stated previously, if you understand how Alexa works, and it's limitations, it is an invaluable tool.

I would love to have an objective discussion on how Alexa ratings can be skewed. Of course it's possible, but on a grand scale? I see the web sites that sell scripts to boost Alexa ratings, but I've never seen one with a good Alexa rating. Like Google, Alexa changes their ranking algo from time to time. This discussion is about one of those changes. This all makes for good conversation, but I'm tired of these conversations being high-jacked from people who shoot from the hip with statements that contain little factual evidence.

Please let us get on with our discussion.

dynamicwebs




msg:466851
 3:05 pm on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks for all the posts to this topic.

One other note of interest. I see that Google is now indexing around 8 bilion plus pages. I wonder if there is a direct correlation to the alexa numbers becuase of the increased number of pages in Google.

I have noticed that my sites continue to be in the same percentile ranking, but the number is proportional to the numbers in Google.

I wonder if Alexa will alter their results for the top 100,000 to a more accurate system that might also include, "Site in the top 1/10,000th percentile"?

Voxman




msg:466852
 4:48 am on Dec 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

"I sure wish we could have a logical/factual conversation about Alexa without it being hi-jacked."

So you think only your opinion is logical/factual?

I have installed the toolbar along with some employees and our numbers did drop by half within days. Also our page views went through the roof. That was enough for us to discount Alexa's importance as a ranking tool. You are welcome to your opinion but don't trash others.

As for the toolbar....the hardest thing I've ever tried to delete of my computer. It has a sneaky way of coming back.

Just my opinion....and I'm done with this thread

figment88




msg:466853
 5:48 am on Dec 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

The fact that Alexa can be spammed is not hijacking the thread but the answer to the original question -- more spamming sites mean legitimate ones drop in the ranking.

dataguy




msg:466854
 3:55 pm on Dec 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

I would love to hear your opinions, but please help me understand how you've arrived at your conclusions. That's what discussion is all about.

Dynamoo




msg:466855
 8:29 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

There is something darned strange with Alexa results over the past few days. [Let's take as read the accuracy issues here].

Looking at my stats - I have one site with an average of around 55,000 which I think is reasonably accurate. A couple of days ago it dropped to 250,000+ and now shows nothing. Except, in real life traffic is waaay up. (For the record that's an average of 4,100 visitors per day, 23,000 page views).

Another site has shown a slight increase in traffic recently, (average 1,200 uniques per day, 5,400 page views) and yet the Alexa ranking has recently shifted from 110,000 to 35,000.

Looking at other sites in my industry sector, there have been some other huge and unexpected moves over the past couple of days. I'm putting this down to some sort of bug at the Alexa end.

Dave_A




msg:466856
 3:32 am on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

I was looking at the supposed results of my search engine on Alexa.
According to them I am getting around 1.3 million visitors and I am not sure of how accurate they are, my log files only show around 30,000 visitors a week so I am not sure if they can be thought of as even nearly correct.
The decline in users having the Alexa toolbar running seems to be on the way down.

angiolo




msg:466857
 8:16 am on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

> According to them I am getting around 1.3 million visitors

I do not think that Alexa gives you the number of visitors. Alexa gives other figures.

dataguy




msg:466858
 1:54 pm on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

I haven't really seen a decline in the Alexa ratings of my sites, but what I have seen is that the updates over the past few weeks have been much more sporatic. They used to happen several times a week like clockwork (Sunday, Wednesday, Friday if I remember correctly). I would have to guess that the lack of consistency means they are either having problems or are trying to upgrade something... sure wish they would settle down.

dynamicwebs




msg:466859
 2:07 pm on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

In regards to the post from Dave_A.

If you are looking at the reach rank, what it is telling you is this. If your rank is 1.3 per million, it is telling you your site is reaching 1.3 people per million internet users. Thus, if there are 200 million US users, you are actually exposing your site to around 260 people per day, week, month, three months.

This is not a perfect scenario of how many people are visiting your site, but rather a scenario of person A visiting your site and telling person B about your site and forwarding your address to them.

Frank Beier

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