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Amazons New Search Enters Online Beta
boselecta

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Msg#: 1392 posted 9:14 pm on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

Amazon's new search engine is live. It adds a bunch of personalization features on top of Google's search functionality.

[a9.com...]

 

pleeker

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Msg#: 1392 posted 9:50 pm on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

On second glance, especially at the Help Page [a9.com], there are a couple pretty cool features added in to the basic Google results.

It's Google, Alexa, and Amazon rolled into one. And yes, it does potentially raise some interesting privacy issues. But they give you a way out if you don't want to have your Amazon account associated with A9: generic.a9.com [generic.a9.com]. Of course, you lose the A9 features....

They really need to change the color scheme. It's killing my eyes.

Brad

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Msg#: 1392 posted 11:35 pm on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's just warmed over smae old Google and some book search stuff. Rehash of a rehash.

Next!

figment88

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Msg#: 1392 posted 12:09 am on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

I had a business meeting with Udi Manber (the head of A9) when he was over at Yahoo!

He is a very capable person who can bridge both the tech and business worlds. He developed one of the very first internet search engines (GLIMPSE). His job at Yahoo involved circulating among all the departments making sure that work in one could be put to advanatage in another.

I would expect that as A9 develops, new factors will be added to the rankings and the SERPs will diverge from standard Google. I also expect to see a lot more features come on line.

operafan

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Msg#: 1392 posted 12:59 am on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Why do they have sponsored results from Google when I do a search for certain familiar keyword searches? But nice though that I'm ontop almost similiar to Google's ranking.

Allergic

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Msg#: 1392 posted 1:15 am on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Why do they have sponsored results from Google when I do a search for certain familiar keyword searches? But nice though that I'm ontop almost similiar to Google's ranking.

It is Google Adwords and Google results but looking like thoses results are enhanced by the Alexa data they get from their toolbar use!?!
Like the query that make some wave this week, the site is not there on the first page of A9 but it is still there on 4e position on Google.

If the A9 toolbar and Alexa got more and more metric, in a short/medium period of time A9 can been the next buzz.
Did you A-NineIt! ;-)

Vrindavan

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Msg#: 1392 posted 3:47 am on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Will install a9 toolbar help improve alexa ranking
at the same time too?

Need Clarify

Allergic

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Msg#: 1392 posted 4:31 am on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Will install a9 toolbar help improve alexa ranking at the same time too?

Logically yes!

pleeker

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Msg#: 1392 posted 6:30 am on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's just warmed over smae old Google and some book search stuff. Rehash of a rehash.

If you only look at the surface, perhaps. But there's a lot under the engine when you think about them archiving your past searches, your past clicks, etc. in terms of aiding search-based memory. At minimum, it's just the convenience of re-searching on a term you searched on a month ago and instantly being able to see that site you went to for the product or information you wanted. But the possibilities go well beyond that into each user developing a search profile the more they use it ... and the more your profile develops, the smarter Amazon can be in giving you the search you want. This is competition for G's Personalized Search -- Amazon already knows a ton about me, now let them start using it to customize my searching.

And that doesn't even begin to go into the integration of search and commerce here. Isn't that what G wants to do, essentially, with Froogle? Here comes Amazon, and they take it to a new level -- they don't point you to web sites where the product can be bought a la Froogle, they sell it to you themselves! It's just books now, but surely that limitation won't be around too long.

Google mission: "Organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful."

Amazon mission: "Allow people to find and buy anything on the Internet."

I kinda think this A9.com is where those two mission statements start to converge. Question is -- how does Google like having its results used and enhanced like this? Is this that point where the partnership turns into a competition?

Sanenet

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Msg#: 1392 posted 10:11 am on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Eek! Never noticed this before . but they're grabbing the WHOIS information and displaying it in the site info page!

andy_boyd

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Msg#: 1392 posted 11:08 am on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Absolutely terrible colour scheme, and indeed, some very *interesting* privacy concerns.

Those sidebars are quite similar to IE for Mac.

Leosghost

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Msg#: 1392 posted 11:16 am on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm gonna get this over now ...

"I cannot promise not to take the P*SS out of whichever poor s*d gets detailed by their PR dept to come on these forums and answer questions and field comments etc as "Amazon Guy" or girl ..whilst not "being in the PR dept" .."

Sorry it's stronger than me ...

But I just can't promise not to ...

"Amazon guy" ....dont ya just luv it!

( maybe the idea just cracks up Europeans? :))

Allergic

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Msg#: 1392 posted 12:02 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Seem to be a really weird move from Google!?!

As I interpret some queries in A9, the results seem to be mainly by Google *but already* enhanced by the Alexa data.

If my assertion is true, it will be very hard to fool A9. The Alexa toolbar can't be fool by linking stategies like Spamming all the comments box in blog or having multiple mirrors of the same site with heavily linking to fool the PR of Google. The metric collected by Alexa Toolbar and the new A9 toolbar can bypass thoses spammy linking campaign use more and more people!

Plus all the data collect in Amazon cookies plus the history of people using A9, it can be the next killer SE!

What do you think of my speculation?

Sanenet

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Msg#: 1392 posted 12:04 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Course - Google has it's ads on it, so they don't mind if it starts getting popular. And if A9 starts to get too big? Google pulls their data away, and kaput.

Nay worries.

Allergic

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Msg#: 1392 posted 12:39 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Course - Google has it's ads on it, so they don't mind if it starts getting popular. And if A9 starts to get too big? Google pulls their data away, and kaput.

Yes, I also think about the pulling the plug, but a contract have to go to the end of it. I would like to know for who many years this parternships is? Also Amazon and Alexa use Google for long.
Plus the fact Amazon have a bright guy in there.
Even Google buy is name to display ad for recruiting : [google.com...]

And If Google pull the plug, it is not so long to put up your own technology. Yahoo! crawl the web in less than a month to put YST online.

Equiano

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Msg#: 1392 posted 9:40 am on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have just visited www.a9.com (Amazon's new search offering) after reading about it in the Guardian (UK). Has anyone cast any eye over this? What is the initial feeling about it?

It says on the Homepage that "Search results enhanced by Google. Results also provided by A9.com, Alexa, and Amazon.com" but is looks like it is only a susb set of Google results.

www.a9.com

DaveN

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Msg#: 1392 posted 9:57 am on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

LOL same here they don't like you leaving.... also it's fed by Google but some banned domains seem to be in there I have the top 8 results for a 2 keyword phrase... but google only shows 3 in there top 10

DaveN

Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 1392 posted 2:34 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

The whois thing is just alexa Sanenet. Been that way for 3 years.

bgallegos

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Msg#: 1392 posted 2:03 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Was just checking out the new Amazon A9 search portal ...www.A9.com. Looks like Adwords is the source of CPC ads.

But where are the SERPS coming from?

figment88

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Msg#: 1392 posted 2:50 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

just alexa

The problem is that A9 is going to have much higher visability and use than Alexa. The same is true for distributing Alexa's crappy ratings.

Now all of a sudden the problems with Alexa's data become more important.

I think it is telling that Amazon setup a new enterprise for their search engine instead of giving it to the clowns over at Alexa.

[edited by: figment88 at 3:09 pm (utc) on April 15, 2004]

Sanenet

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Msg#: 1392 posted 2:55 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks Brett. Shows you how long it's been since I last looked at Alexa!

Was just surprised to see the information being returned on the SERPs.

donpps

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Msg#: 1392 posted 3:49 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Interesting backlinks report. Surprised they kept it under wraps since february.

Comments: Need livelier colors and get a bunch of privacy lawyers.

Like the froogle competition though.

D

aleksl



 
Msg#: 1392 posted 5:16 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Very interesting though. Remember a few months back everyone was kinda chuckling at Yahoo, that their search is powered by Google? Where is G now?

If that is the tendency, companies that have real $ - MSN, Yahoo! and now Amazon - can be a serious competition to G (have you looked at your AdWords referres lately - mine are mostly useless traffic). And when A9.com is popular enough, all it takes to dump Google in someone else's favor...

Is this downward tendency why Wall Street folks decided that it is not the time for G to be a public company? And these guys don't take stuff for granted, they do serious research.

I sent a link to a couple of friends that are just regular internet users, and they all liked A9.com. I know, not much of a market research ;)

hamster77

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Msg#: 1392 posted 5:22 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yarg. Agree about the colour scheme. It looks OK at first glance but reading the results really makes my eyes water.

coconubuck

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Msg#: 1392 posted 5:53 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

How long do you think they will continue to use google results? I am guessing they might go it on their own in the future...

hiker_jjw

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Msg#: 1392 posted 5:54 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Not worth the time it took me to write this message.

But seriously, aren't there already enough search engines that use Google result? Hmmm, maybe I should write one this weekend. I'll call it, JustAnotherGoogleSearch.com.

Cheers!

258cib

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Msg#: 1392 posted 5:55 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

I like the color OK.

The relationship between Google and Amazon has been a mystery to many. Google search is on Amazon, for example. Why? Does Amazon get paid for that by Google? I'm told no. Generally, the top executives at both operations get a long well and both understand that the Internet is evolving. They're learning from one another. Still, Froggle and Amazon; A9 and Google. They look similar to me.

esllou

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Msg#: 1392 posted 6:27 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

amazon has had guaranteed number one positions on google serps for about six months....THAT is the other side of the equation!

iblaine

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Msg#: 1392 posted 7:24 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

I can't see why google would agree to this deal with amazon. Maybe amazon was determined to roll out their own search and G decided to cut their losses and use them as distribution or maybe the CEO's are trusting friends. Now if ebay pulls off a similar stunt with G then I'll be shocked.

corpuscle

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Msg#: 1392 posted 7:28 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

There is a MAJOR privacy issue which hasn't been mentioned yet.

A9 supports a very simple search URL style; for example: a9.com/myquery

According to their robots.txt, such URLs are indexable by SEs. These URLs are result pages, which include the "Site Info" links. These links point to pages on amazon which are ALSO indexable by crawlers, according to amazon's robots.txt. Thus links to an A9 search for a domain will consequently result in full DNS contact info being crawled and indexed by other SEs in no time.

I can't begin to imagine how many unhappy domain owners are going to be upset to discover a domain they registered appearing in results when someone searches for their name on Google or Yahoo. I know I for one have one or two domains I wish I hadn't registered.

I predict a huge increase in falsified DNS registration information if this functionality isn't suppressed pretty quickly...

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