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Eurekster -- article in Boston Globe
You got your social network in my search engine!
mbauser2




msg:466225
 8:56 am on Jan 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

Boston.com just put up an article about Eurekster [boston.com], which is apparently trying to combine the social networking craze with search engines. Invite your friends, form a group, and get searches personalized based on the group search habits.

(Sounds like too much upfront involvement to me. How many people want to sign up for an engine and recruit their friends just to do websearch?)

I've done two test searches -- the default, I-haven't-signed-up-for-anything results are Alltheweb with no language filtering (which means I see a lot of Germans if I search for myself).

And their porn filter is not as good as they told the Globe -- when I was trying it out, things like "Free X pictures" and "Dirty pictures" were showing up in the "recent searches" sidebar.

Opinions, anyone? I'm not impressed, but I'm a known cynic.

 

sidyadav




msg:466226
 4:32 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

The search engine looked cool - even though I don't understand half of what it does. Searches in a group of friends? displays alltheweb results? shows whats hot with your friends? only search engine with personalization? the results are getting better, even though they are AllTheWeb's?
what I also don't get is - what does the "group of friends" personalization do with the AllTheWeb results?
...and if they are all AllTheWeb results - where is the credit to AllTheWeb/FAST?

(Please excuse my lack of reading skills - All though I've read so much about it, I can't understand half of what it does.)
Sid

gopi




msg:466227
 5:12 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

They basically try to cash in on the latest hottest trends...this is not innovation - just BS!

Never gonna take off ..maybe they may succeed in pitching some cluelss VC's or Technology executives :)

jeremy goodrich




msg:466228
 7:08 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Cute idea - not gonna work, but very cute.

sidyadav




msg:466229
 7:38 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

ahhh - just read this [home.eurekster.com] document - now I know what it does.

I agree with Jeremy, its a cute idea, but ain't gonna work - would be some useful if it used Google results though, we would have a cute customizable Google.

Also - just had a look at: [home.eurekster.com...]
err... umm.. I wonder from where they got all that info?

Sid

[edit]changed grammar[/edit]

[edited by: sidyadav at 9:08 am (utc) on Jan. 22, 2004]

Woz




msg:466230
 8:11 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

What I find interesting on their Recent Searches and Sites [home.eurekster.com] page is the large number of Japanese and Chinese entires in the "Recent" columns. However, the "Popular" columns are all English which suggests a recent influx of Asian visitors. ( or perhaps bill is spooking us ... )

I looked around at News Reports and can't find anything in the Asian Papers. And it doesn't show up on the Alexa lists in any of the languages so it is either a mystery, or a co-incidence, or, er, something we don't know yet. Curious.

Onya
Woz

sidyadav




msg:466231
 9:06 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

hmm.. yeah I agree, and their headquarters is based in San Fransisco and New Zealand. I wonder what links Chinese/Japanese people to a US/NZ based search engine...?

Sid

papamaku




msg:466232
 10:26 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Took me a few minutes to get my head round it.

I do like the idea, but agree that it probably won't take off.

Is a good way to remember what sites you've been to though, but no-ones gonna create an account just to do a search.

What I don't get is how they could come out of nowhere (their alexa rank is 416,692 - i know that doesn't mean much, but it gives a rough idea) and get an Overture sponsored links deal. I thought you needed 2 million searches a month to become a partner.

Shak




msg:466233
 10:54 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

If my friends knew what kinda stuff I searched for...

they would no longer be my friends :)

sorry, could not resist.

Shak

dirkz




msg:466234
 12:49 pm on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

> [home.eurekster.com...]

> Google - What webmasters think.

This got me thinking.

sidyadav




msg:466235
 1:26 pm on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

If my friends knew what kinda stuff I searched for...
they would no longer be my friends :)

lol Shak - its a little different over here, if my friends knew what I searched for - they'd stop classifying me as a geek :)

Sid

Brad




msg:466236
 2:29 pm on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

I just read an article by Danny Sullivan on this.
http:www.searchenginewatch.com/searchday/article.php/3301481

The guys that developed this also developed Globalbrain (from Snap/NBCi days) so there is some real technology underneath this. That does not mean it will succeed but it is not a complete unknown.

HughMungus




msg:466237
 7:01 pm on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

They basically try to cash in on the latest hottest trends...this is not innovation - just BS!

It was tried and failed during the dotcom boom and there are already plenty of friends-based search engines (including ones based on bookmarks).

Anyone know how these services are supposed to make money? I doubt people will pay for it. The only thing I can think of is profile-specific ad targeting which is available to advertisers in other, more popular media (e.g., web pages).

Robert Charlton




msg:466238
 7:45 am on Jan 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

BuddyRank...

pc4media




msg:466239
 8:30 pm on Feb 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

its funny how many omniscient people there are that are able to predict the failure of certain things.

if there is anyone that actually wants to check it out b4 poo-pooing this idea, you can send me an invite/email. pc4media at hotmail

I have been actively growing my network on eurekster because i think it is a cool new site and worth a little experimention.

I've been writing about what I learn. There are definitely some interesting onservations from an SEO/Online Marketing perspective...

[edited by: jeremy_goodrich at 10:34 pm (utc) on Feb. 12, 2004]
[edit reason] see TOS / no URL drops [/edit]

HughMungus




msg:466240
 10:22 pm on Feb 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Not predicting the future. Learning from the past.

Now there are privacty concerns associated with social networks that make me not want anything to do with them nor have anyone list me as a network contact (see thread in this forum). Scary stuff.

pc4media




msg:466241
 1:54 am on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'd like to know how Eurekster has burned you b4. I'd appreciate a pointer to the other threads too.

i don't quite understand why you can't post a link to a blog... but here is a post I wrote that talks about eurekster's privacy policy:

Privacy on Eurekster.

Because eurekster makes something that was once private (more aptly, shared with a search engine company only), the issue of privacy is automatically raised. The first complaint from bloggers about eurekster is privacy. However, I believe that most of the people that quickly complain, are alarmists that have not spent enough time using it to actually see how Eurekster protects the privacy of its users.

Although, I believe the balance between protecting my privacy and the value of personalization is something we still have to determine, full disclosure by companies about privacy related issues is imperative. I believe Eurekster is very good about this.

I personally think that Eurekster has taken many precautions to protect privacy. Some of these are:

Registration is required before any searches are stored and presented to your network.

Eurekster does not reveal which terms were searched nor which sites were visited by which individual. It only shows the search terms in aggregate.

When contacting someone via Eurekster regarding a new search term, the email is blind. The only way that someone will know whether I was the one that searched for "paris hilton video", is if they email me to talk about it and then, I respond. They don't know it was me until I respond.

The check box enables people to do a "private" search; it doesn't save that you searched for that nor present it to your network.

From an email from a Eurekster developer:
The toolbar does nothing more than let you make searches on eurekster without having to go to the site, it does not monitor other sites you visit. To quote our privacy policy " Like you, we hate the thought of someone misusing personal information."

Taken directly from the eurekster site, in addition to the above safeguards, they also stress:
"
You have total control over who is in your direct network of contacts

We never send unsolicited email

At any time you can totally unsubscribe and you will not be contacted again

Our whole service depends on us protecting your privacy

You can remove a search you have performed or a site you have visited from the recent searches by following the directions above. "

--------------------
In addition to all of the above, you are not providing Eurekster with anything that you aren't providing google or any other engine when you perform a search.

sidyadav




msg:466242
 2:53 am on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

pc4media, you seem to be very fond of Eukrester (not that its a bad thing), but you sure you're not a representative from Eukrester itself?

(sorry if I sterio-typed you in a wrong way.)
Sid

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