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Kind of neat looking alternative search product

 3:30 pm on Sep 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

I haven't put up the money to use it yet. anyone try this out?

They do have a cnn interview in their demonstrations section. Looks somewhat interesting other than its pulling info from Northern Light only?

Grokker [groxis.com]


jeremy goodrich

 5:10 pm on Sep 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

Grokker by Groxis [webmasterworld.com] sad that they don't have a trial version or anything :(

I'll say I'd also be curious to hear the experience of somebody who used this...


 5:53 pm on Sep 12, 2003 (gmt 0)


Like the others I was disappointed there was no demo version. I thought $99 was a lot for a product I couldn't even try. Nonetheless I read a lot of good stuff about Grokker [groxis.com] and have tried other visual searches like Kartoo [kartoo.com], so I was eager to try Grokker. I did and it was worth it, especially if you are in a line of work where you can count it as a business expense and tax deduction. It is not yet a "google" by any means, but if you are covering a broad topic it lets you quickly zero in on the aspect you want. It can also give you new ideas about how to approach your search. I plan to upgrade to the "pro" version as soon as it becomes available.

I should add it no longer pulls its content from Northern Light, but Teoma, Open Directory (DMOZ), Amazon, or selected areas of your hard drive. I like the Teoma searches best and the personal hard drive searches seem to have a lot of potential but presently need some refinement as it is too hard to zero in on a specific subdirectory.


 4:46 pm on Jan 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Some talk about Vivisimo and Grokker [google.com]

Better search results than Google? [cnn.com]


 5:08 pm on Jan 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Vivisimo.com is overloaded thanks to the CNN article. This should be a very big boost for them.

Not sure I agree with the article but it's nice to see.


 8:49 pm on Jan 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

just checked 1 keyphrase and saw an affiliate link (www.qksrv.net/...) within the top 20. That's not cool imho


 8:56 pm on Jan 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

someone must be reading this thread...a free trial has now appeared, and its just $49...



 9:38 pm on Jan 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

There was a sizable article in the Express (the Washington Post's quicky for commuters)... apparently they are hoping to evetually sell their technology to Google itself.


 10:03 pm on Jan 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Pay? Signup?

The economics of search engines mean you need to be either big to survive as a general purpose, or small as a specific niche.

The business model of this company - to charge customers for rendering and analysis of results that they don't own, is a questionable move. Reminds me of all those auction aggregators for ebay. As long as its small and drives traffic, ebay didn't mind. But when it started taknig away ebay's profits, ebay sued them and coopted all their features.

Building your own search index is a capital intensive process, but at least you own that capital. A business like grokker doesn't own much of anything - they are competing more with IE than with google. The best that they can hope for is good market penetration. They should at minimum offer a free product and periodically be bugging their users to upgrade.


 4:50 am on Jan 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

someone must be reading this thread...a free trial has now appeared, and its just $49...

Ahhh, the power of the people! And Kudos to Grokker for responding in rapid fashion.


 12:54 pm on Jan 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

$49? is this crazy?
I'm not gonna waste my precious money on some old alternative search product!

I love Kartoo and Vivisimo, I use them very often and thats because they are so-called "free" and if you come to think of it - almost every search product on the web is free, except for Grokker.

Why pay money to search the web when you can search it for free?

And plus I have no what-so-ever full 100% guarantee if this is better than Google.



 2:21 pm on Jan 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Search has been free for the masses, because it is "Advertising Supported"...

I don't see the masses lining up to fork over even $49 for a search add on...

Their only real hope for "mass" success is to have an existing engine license their technology...


 2:52 pm on Jan 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

> but Teoma, Open Directory (DMOZ), Amazon, or selected areas of your hard drive

It´s grabbing results from some other SE´s:

AltaVista, MSN, WiseNut, Fast and Yahoo


 4:57 pm on Jan 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Tried the 30 day trial. This is a great resource tool
for scouting out the competition. However at $49 dollars
a pop, the masses will never accept it.

I think it will be a big hit in scientific, governement, university and research departments, and this is the market
they are trying for; and not the mass consummers.


 11:53 pm on Jan 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

System Requirements
• Windows 2000 or Windows XP
• Pentium III at 400MHZ or higher
• 128MB RAM (we recommend 256MB or more, if you’re going to use the file indexing service for the My Files keyword search)
• 100MB of free disk space (or 20MB only if Java 2 is already installed)

No go here, as this box is running Win Me. (I'll guess a 700 Mhz Celeron would do.) If they are going for the mass market, there's a LOT of boxes out there running Win Me, and even Win 98.


 8:41 am on Jan 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Web information is made to be free.


 11:03 am on Jan 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

I 100% agree with you!



 8:53 pm on Jan 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

does anyone know any more about whether there is actual intent to sell this technology to Google? I would imagine that they would hold their cards and sell to the highest bidder. and that, I would assume, is Microsoft.


 12:57 am on Jan 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Who would pay $49 for this and why!

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