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|Link Strategies Ė To Build Presence and Gain Exposure|
Starting with Reciprocal Linking
| 1:16 am on Mar 23, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I thought I'd start with reciprocal linking because it's probably the most common to everyone. It's also very misunderstood, at least by my standards.
I assume if you are planning on utilizing reciprocal linking as a branch of your strategy that you've considered all the risks/benefits. If not, it might help in your planning if you ask yourself a few questions.
1.) Do you understand the terminology? If I were to talk about crosslinking, interlinking, internal linking, external linking, canonicals, subdomains, directories, hubs, reciprocal, static links, dynamic links, or authority to name a few, could you follow? In other words, have you done your homework? Key: use the site search feature and take notes. Keep following the discussions and write down questions that come up and keep searching until you get your answers. Almost everything is here in one form or another. If you still have questions after all the research then bring those to the board where we can pitch in a figure it out.
2.) Why are you thinking about a linking strategy? Common ideas I hear are most often to do with Google these days and include PR (Pagerank). Other reasons are to build authority, increase traffic, generate targeted traffic and to build a strong foundation, including establishing a presence.
3.) Have you researched your online industry, competition, and opportunities? Are your online competitors who you really think they are? What are they doing about linking? Is there an industry presence, forums, newsgroups, or associations to name a few? What's the buzz?
4.) Do you know who your audience is? Have you researched where your audience does their business, where they search for their information, or what else they buy or are interested in when they think about what you have to offer?
5.) Have you thought about what you want from a reciprocal linking campaign? What are you willing to accept for an exchange? Are you exchanging banners, text links, affiliate links and in what form from static to dynamic?
6.) If you determine to follow a strategy that includes an anchor text, have you worked out what the anchor text would be? Have you considered all the risks/benefits and potential opportunities? Hint: Run a site search again and narrow in on ideas about anchor text and titles/descriptions, writing titles, link text, we've talked about this although I think there are more levels we haven't reached on this yet.
7.) Have you considered what you are willing to give to a reciprocal campaign? Hint: Please, move beyond the random link page and begin to establish a focus for how you host your partner's link. Are you willing to create a link directory, weave links through your site, create content as bait, or create individual pages for each partner?
8.) Have you established a linking policy, published it on your site as well a clear method for communication? Pet peeve: I visit your site and it appears you are following some sort of reciprocal linking but I you don't tell me right out what it is nor how to contact you.
9.) How much time to you have to put in to implementing and maintaining a campaign? Do you have any idea how long it takes to get even 10 good sites to link to you?
10.) Have you thought out your communications for establishing contact with potential partners? How are you going to handle the gathering information, record keeping and reporting?
Each of these questions will lead to dozens more. Just about everyone knows, at least around here, that you shouldn't be making decisions regarding your site without considering the pro/con and working from a plan. A reciprocal linking strategy can take on many levels, there may be risks, and of course we wouldn't even talk about it if it weren't for the benefits. I think we're just starting to get the idea that what once worked with reciprocal linking isn't working as well today and that there might be reason to take another look at reciprocal linking.
We know that reciprocal linking is not for every site and that sites that practicing reciprocal linking are offering it up without consistency and in many different packages. I wonder if we've as yet explored all the create ways to work reciprocal linking. It's refreshing to be tripping through sites, one site to another through their linking and see someone with a clearly defined policy and easy to navigate communications. I feel like sending them the paynt linking seal of approval.
I wonder what else we should be thinking about with regards to reciprocal linking. I spend a lot of time in the linking bowels of the net and it's an ugly place. What do you think about reciprocal linking? What kind of benefits and risks should we look at, what ideas for implementation? If it wasn't so ugly out there I wouldn't waste anyone's time bringing this up. I think people really need help with this.
How easy is it for you to find legitimate, clean links in your industry or audience? Are you happy with your reciprocal linking possibilities and opportunities and if not what can you do to raise the standards?
| 10:40 pm on Mar 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Great thread and posts, paynt. If there was a measure for "useful content per post", you'd be right up there, paynt! :) Thanks for drawing attention to the fact that there are many other reasons than PageRank to establish a link campaign.
One comment on slow responders & no responders - I'm one of them! :) On the sites I manage, I've stopped replying to link requests from cheesy affiliate sites, PR0 sites, spammy-looking sites, etc. I found that it took too much time both to decline and then engage in a dialog about WHY I declined. (I had three outraged e-mails from a guy whose site consisted of nothing but affiliate links telling me how great his site was...) I DO try to get back to legitimate requests promptly.
General advice: if you expect me to link to you, or at least reply, PLEASE submit only legitimate, unpenalized sites with content that users of my site will find valuable. I suspect I'm speaking for many WebmasterWorld members with this request. ;)
| 11:20 pm on Mar 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I'd second rogerd's remarks and add a couple of my own. If I have a site on blenders and and you can see that all my existing links are to and from blender and food processor sites, then don't send me a link request for mail order Russian Brides. It just wastes both of our time.
I've also been getting these weird requests lately from somebody who wants to know if I'd be interested in linking to her client and them describes the site but doesn't give the URL. I don't know what the point is of asking for a link request and not telling the person the URL, but I know sure smells fishy. I think most webmasters don't really have time to play games like that.
| 11:33 pm on Mar 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Adding to paynt's great posts.
Strategic reciprocal link development.
Always remember that the web is intangible - no definitive size, or space, and no clear cut paths of connectiveness, you actually define these yourself.
The object is not just to get links, quality ones or otherwise - as these to are quite intangible to (what is of quality today can be crap tomorrow and vice versa).
Reciprocal linking strategies (from your perspective) places you in the center of the web universe - the "hub" if you will.
Maximizing your time, and effort (researching, searching, requesting, and implementing) is doubly important since the faster your process is the greater the return.
One of the best processes is research out a single link partner and appreciate every aspect of them - including there linking partners.
The obvious - if the site is related to you - the likelihood their reciprocal links are to - as well as the likelihood that these site owners will reciprecate, and the easier your task is.
What isn't as obvious is the links by proxy.
Site A - your chosen link partner
Are Site A's link partners and your chosen partners
You exchange with Site A (receiving PageRank & relevancy and giving back the same) - which also adds to Sites AA, AB, AC, AD's PageRank & relevancy. (remember that your passed PageRank goes to all links therefore the more of those you get coming back to you - the more of your own PageRank is returning - plus theirs).
You in turn develop link exchanges with each (receiving PageRank & relevancy and giving back the same)
The effects of sites AA, AB, AC, AD each adds more PageRank & relevancy to site A and each other which adds more of the same to you.
Moving on - you have developed a relationship with sites AA, AB, AC, AD and each of them probably have other reciprcating partners not shared which, you can continue the effort... and each time those new recip add to the network of sites around your growing "hub" with you in the center.
Developing the relationship (in an expanding network) works exceptional well and sharing your knowledge with those that can help you can never hurt.
| 12:58 am on Mar 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Lots of questions Paynt - any answers?
| 2:42 am on Mar 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Jane, that sounds like a spam message I've received, too. It's made to sound personal, but it's on a par with "I checked and your site wasn't listed in some major search engines." ;)
| 8:39 am on Mar 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
|I assume if you are planning on utilizing reciprocal linking as a branch of your strategy that you've considered all the risks/benefits |
For those engaging heavily in reciprocal linking:
Ask yourself, how many of these links would you have given anyway, if they were not reciprocated? Are your outbound links now real votes of reference and quality?
If you were a search engine, would you neutralise any beneficial ranking effects of exagerated reciprocal linking?
To me, there is a thin line between predominant reciprocal linking and cross-linked (domain)farms, it is a thing of the past, a no-no.
| 12:43 pm on Mar 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Personally, I leave link directories to the search engines. My visitors aren't interested in search engine content. So, I struggle with pay-per-click and expensive paper direct marketing to build an audience. I just can't swallow the notion of diluting site content and value to increase page rank.
| 2:39 pm on Mar 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
First I want to acknowledge rogue and your post, thanks. Iím glad you are working with a plan, it sure helps the process along.
This is a good discussion, when folks jump in share it helps us all learn.
Reciprocal linking is a strategy folks are using (or trying to use) to help their promotion along. In itís simplest and most modest form it may not be a strategy that works for every site. Remember though that reciprocal linking simply means two sites agreeing to link back to each other. If you do this with just one site then you are practicing some form of reciprocal linking. In that case I think most of us can do with a bit of a step back to evaluate just what our policy is and how we intend to approach the next reciprocal linking decision before it gets here.
My mom used to say, ďdonít cut off your nose despite your faceĒ. I take that advice to mean it might be in my best interest to keep my eyes open, my ears perked and my mind on the big picture.
Having said that I can move on with other ideas coming up around the idea of reciprocal linking.
| 3:00 pm on Mar 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Itís important everyone participating here is acknowledged for each contribution. Fathom you continue to be a real trooper, helping and sharing and itís so great, thanks. You keep me thinking. I want to get us to the point where I can strategize with you all but I feel there is still a need here for the basics. Please donít be offended if I donít jump too far into strategy yet. I feel this is my chance to shake folks up a bit, get them to clean house, set up the foundation of a plan to work from and feel secure then looking at the bigger picture. I hope Marketing Guy sticks around with us for that too Ďcause we should be able to take this to the edges with all your help.
Rogerd, Iím glad you showed up. I always hope to see you jump in as I know you too have an interest in linking.
|Thanks for drawing attention to the fact that there are many other reasons than PageRank to establish a link campaign - Rogerd |
Funny, I thought I mentioned Pagerank once, hehe. We talk about PR all the time and the Google forum is the best place for those really focused discussion. Iím laughing because I know PR is an issue for linking, Iíve cautioned restraint more than once concerning possible problems around PR. Iím glad you pointed this out again though Rogerd because people reading here may be wondering why Iím not making a bigger deal about it or why itís not a larger part of this discussion.
My take on PageRank, itís a tool. Itís a pretty good tool and gives me a visual summary of a site but itís only a part of the information I use to evaluate whether to link or not. When I look at a site and Iím balancing the plus/minus of course PR is a consideration, maybe an important one. There are some industries where no one has any PR to speak of and others where it would seem impossible to try and compete because the PRís are so high. Again, each industry is different. Maybe I can give more time later to more of how I think about or use the Pagerank information, for now youíre right Rogerd, reciprocal linking is more than PR.
| 3:27 pm on Mar 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
When I search Google for link:www.site.com, do I have to go through all the results to find sites to request links from, or do I only need to go through the "most relevant" results? For example, when I search for link:www.site.com, I get 3500 or so results. However I then get the message:
"In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 634 already displayed.
If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included."
Do I need to wade through the omitted results as well? I tried before but it seemed to yield almost no new sites.
Also, when I currently ask for links, I simply don't offer a reciprocal link. I think ultimately sites should link to mine for its own merits and its intrinsic worth to the market, as reciprocal linking seems rather false.
many thanks for your comments and help,
| 3:41 pm on Mar 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Hi Jane_Doe, thanks for your post. I agree in basic principle with what youíre saying, I like my links themed and relevant. Unfortunately, some sites take this so literally and wonít link with anyone but another blender site and that can be a limiting strategy. When thinking about drawing in linking partners I get most of the information I use to determine that in my research. I use a lot of common sense and then I push it where I can. Itís got to be real yes, but also interesting and different. I canít be doing exactly what my neighborís doing. I want them looking at what Iím doing, trying to figure me out not so much the other way.
Believe me, I think we all should be cutting our teeth on themes, once again that is a foundational issue, developed along with keywords at the very beginning of the site development strategy itself. By the time we get to the linking strategy portion of the plan all of that has been figured out, unfortunately all too many sites seem to be leaving steps out along the way, sidestepping. Thatís why Iím here now harping with all my pet peeves.
There are different ways I approach determining who my reciprocal partners will be, where they fit into my audience. Looking out at an audience full of potential linking partners, knowing my production is dependent on their participation, well it gives the whole planning process an extra zing. Itís really more like selecting the jury. Top trial lawyers spend big bucks in determining who that jury is.
Think for a moment about who you want to link to you. Where can you find your link partner audience? If I am selling blenders as Jane_Doe kindly suggested, then sheís right I canít think how a mail order bride site fits. Of course I can get real creative and create content around new brides, draw it into how the right blender will be the defining issue on whether the marriage will work, and tie it back to immigrants and they might not have understood that when they married. Seems like a lot of work, too much stress to figure out and Iím not so sure about the return.
With blenders it would be easier for me if I started with the other kitchen products, kitchen designers and contractors. I can get creative and think about new brides (not mail order), first-time homebuyers, or recipe clubs. I just have to be dedicated to creating the content and building out the site around this audience so it makes sense, Iíve given them a reason to want to link back to me.
| 4:02 pm on Mar 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Great thread with some very insightful contributions. My site presently ranks #4 im my catgeory keyword among 2.5 million results, so we do get the basics right. We have been pursuing an aggressive reciprocal liking strategy, opting for some degree of relevance while throwing out any site with less than a PR4 ranking.
The top three sites in my catgeory are the industry powerhouses. In analysing them I notice that while we have a similar number of links they have a lot more one way links. This in my view gives them a huge edge.
Getting one way links is much harder than it used to be as websites become aware of the importance of links to their SE rankings. After giving it much thought, I believe that the best way to get these one way links is by offering something beneficial and free to other sites.
The good thing is, there are a lot of "Free" sites have very high PR. We have written an eBook which I offer free to my visitors on my site. I will definately get off my butt and begin listing it in these sites. This will definately give me a hell of a lot of one way links.
I would love to hear other ideas.
| 4:11 pm on Mar 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Hi sachac and welcome to Webmasterworld. Great post and I hope to start a new discussion soon about one way linking. I'm trying to keep this discussion focused on reciprocal linking only and then start working through different strategies within their own discussion.
Love to post more now but I've gotta run.
| 4:25 pm on Mar 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I think one point that Paynt left out, initially, was whether or not you designed your website to attract links.
When I first created my site, I didn't optimize things in such a way that would attract other webmasters into linking to me. That is, I had lots of valuable content that I created, but my site structure was such that it didn't attract webmasters into linking to my pages.
Originally, I created pages that made it easier for me to manage, which resulted in fewer pages. But I soon realized that by changing the site structure, and organizing the content in different ways, it created lots more URLs, and thus more webmasters found reasons to link to my pages.
Today, I'm at a point where I don't need to ask other webmasters for links. They continue to add links to me.
You have to understand your vertical market very well, in order to figure out what it is that other people, and other webmasters want.
If I had a database of movie actors and actresses, logic says to create a simple database-driven site with a search engine, and alphabetical directory. The problem with that is that it is too generic, too plain vanilla.
Instead, create several specialty pages. Create a page just for African American actors, so that AA sites will have a reason to link to you. Create a page just for Oscar award winners, so that Oscar award sites will link to you. Create a page just for actors who are military veterans, so that military websites can link to you.
Doing this also allows you to take advantage of even more keywords for your SEO campaigns.
It's a lot more work to manage these extra pages, but lot's more traffic never comes too easily.
| 4:58 pm on Mar 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
>Doing this also allows you to take advantage of even more keywords for your SEO campaigns.
Can you eloborate on this please?
| 5:11 pm on Mar 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
This discussion is great! It got me to thinking and planing what my goals are for linking... and those are a bit different that most peoples. Just as food for thought, I thought I would post my ideas and solutions.
First of all, my site is not a sales site, but an informational one. Whereas you may sell widgets, we provide a LOT of information about the various widgets made through history. Our goal is to be the authoritative site on widget information... and that is how we position the site.
So, rather than reciprical linking, we want people to deep link to our site. When they talk about red widgets from the seventies (which we all know are different than red widgets from 1980!), I want them to link to my 1970's red widget page.
Anyway, I looked at my site, and we did have a "Link to Us" page, with how to do test links, button links, and banner links. But- after reading this- I decided that that was not enough. I wanted to first keep pounding away that you CAN deep link, and then make it easy to do so.
Because the site is Dynamic, I was able to create on each specific page, a link that says, "Link To <widget name>" and pop up window which provides the exact code (and text reference I want!) to that deep page. Twenty minutes, and I was live with it!
OK, Deep links may not add too much to my PR, but that is a side-goal. The strategic goal is to be the "authority" in this subject.... and I think by putting this in your face on every page, and making the code easily available like this, it can help. Escpecialy for the neophite webmaster.
I also have a Links page, and because of the goals there, I do not think I want to disrupt that one. It does provide DIRECT links back to a website... but I reserve that for people who contribute to my website. Sort of a thank you link. Reciprocity is not an issue, and I have already benefited from their help.... but in almost all cases, I do get a link back anyway!
We also offer a search link from someones website to ours, so a user can search for specific widgets from a distant website, and get results from us.
We do not actively solicite reciprical links.... I REALLY do not know what I would do with them, or where I would put them. The way I am set up now, and additional links page would look like an afterthought, and I doubt would even be visited. It just would not fit in with the "flow" of my site. I guess- as a question to the group- how do you integrate a reciprical link page so it does not just look "stuck on?"
Anyway, that is my perspective... right now, when I google Link:wwWebmasterWorldidgetsite.com, I see about 47,000 links back. Not too bad, huh?
| 4:30 am on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Just some additional information.... after one full day of the new customized link pop-up I added yesterday- this link was called 748 times in that one day! Doubt I will get that many incoming links per day- but I was quitre surprised this new link was clicked on that much!
| 9:37 am on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I have put up a Theme based Reciprocal Linking Program on our website a couple of months ago. I am getting great response for it.
Main page is PR6 & inner are PR5 & PR4.
I request you to kindly let me know if you can find any mistakes or any suggestions for improvement on this.
I have sent ya a stick mail.
| 2:01 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Thanks for all the info everyone. Been a huge source of info for me. At the start of this thread I knew nothing and I now feel more confident that my strategy will work for me. I think it is our duty as forum members to keep this thread going for a long time to the benefit of me and all us as we are at the end of the day in the same boat.
I have just started a new stand alone site and everything that has been said here will be implemented. I am confident that it will work for all.
I have a question though. How can you find out if someone that has linked to you has a dodgy site or content eg. if they have hidden text or links etc, if they are trying to hide the fact that they are dodgy.
| 2:09 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)|
i forgot to mention that the website, I was speaking of is in my Profile.
| 2:30 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)|
|I have a question though. How can you find out if someone that has linked to you has a dodgy site or content eg. if they have hidden text or links etc, if they are trying to hide the fact that they are dodgy. |
This matters not.
1. If a dodgy site... visitors will be coming to a good site (if any at all :) ).
2. A link from a bad site, or neighborhood can not harm you (they just don't help either).
3. As long as you don't link back to a bad site/neighborhood... no problem.
| 4:54 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Making my way down the posts I see you arenít getting answers WebManager, now how can I make this easier? I guess I canít. Iím just hoping with this whole discussion to get folks to start asking questions about their site and their strategies.
Iíve been getting stickies, which I hope to get to all of at some point today, and it sounds like folks are starting to look at their sites, applying some of these questions and coming up with new answers to help improve the site. Thatís really good and I thankful if this discussion has helped.
Iím making my way through the posts here and will continue to comment.
| 5:42 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Great post vitaplease #36, not to get lost Iíd like to expand on this a bit if I might.
|how many of these links would you have given anyway, if they were not reciprocated? Are your outbound links now real votes of reference and quality |
This is a serious consideration in planning for what a reciprocal linking campaign will be for a site. We have to ask ourselves in the planning phase just who we want to see the site attached to, and for what purpose. Is it just to increase link popularity in hope of increased Pagerank? Thatís the biggie and folks are really get stuck on that point, which can limit the possibilities with reciprocal linking.
Corporate sites and larger business, professional particularly are more often concerned with the link means vote idea. Itís possible to create a reciprocal campaign for these businesses, they just might take on a different form than what many of us are used to seeing. One method suggested, and I wish I could find it and credit (I think it was Liane but maybe not) about contacting all the sites that mention the product or service of your site and get them to turn the mention into a link. The power of a possible link back can act as a motivator.
| 5:46 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)|
paynt, nice to see this area livening up again and thanks for the thought-provocation!
Since you talked about reciprocal linking specifically at the beginning I'll try to limit any comments to that.
What I would say is that your tactics depend very much on which industry you are in and how educated that area of the web is about the concept of linkage.
I would argue that in some areas the level of knowledge is insufficient to understand the value of a link, and, in other areas, the knowledge is there, but not the willingness to think outside the box, which you are always at pains to stress.
Not only that, but one's own willingness to create content (or sites) in response to the linkage requirements of the area that you are in is another major factor (and I'm pleased to see that this is now being covered in these debates). This even spills over into the area covered in the Directories Forum.
Thus the value of a reciprocal linking strategy is as one of a range of tactics to be used in certain situations. It may be more effective in some areas to concentrate on getting one-way links from willing authorities, or to create your own hub.
I am somewhat sceptical of the value of the traditional link campaign - not because it doesn't get you the links, but that the links that one does get tend to be SEO-knowledgeable type links, which may be the first to be downgraded if this area (as it surely must be) becomes a source of focus for the engines.
And, in the spirit of thinking outside the box, here's a concrete suggestion: I've been having some success with the use of images.
Most webmasters react with horror at the thought of someone pirating their images. Instead why not think of it as an opportunity? Check your logs to see which ones are being taken. Write the user a polite mail, saying that you have no objection to them using your image, but could they please put it on their server and provide a link which reads "yadda, yadda, yaddda".
The pages where you do want links (.edu, .gov, or blogs, for example) may well be covered with embarrassment and only too happy to provide you with what you have politely requested. Look at the images that are wanted, analyse them and provide more of the same type on your sites.
It's another way of being an authority.
| 6:57 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Incredible discussion going here..
Ok, I'm hearing a few themes and want to get them right before I implement.
1. I solicit and direct the inbound links campaign, then once a week send requests to our web master. Now the web master is also optimizing our site when linking I offer the SEO script that he has given me. Is this a ill advised? As it was explained to me it gives our whole campaign congruency.
2. How many links is enough, or are there never enough? Should I continue to reach 500? We have 90 currenly, increased every week and all tightly themed, I very particular on this one.
3. When is it time for a directory, I am thinking for us it should be soon as I have identified five specific categories that would a. look better, b. be a benefit to our viewers. Does Google have an opinion on directories?
4. We currently don't use anchor text and link to our home page, problem here? as we are in the spec food buiness, I prefer to have them do to the index page where they can do what they want, look at recipes, buy products , read our story etc. Again bad idea?
5. We are recip linking as we are rel. young and thought we couldn't get links any other way. If I had something to offer I would, we do have recipes..
6. I am looking into adding a link to us. and like the idea of offering it on each page for deeper linking, atleast I think this is the reason.
7. AS I said we are rel. new, and because of linking went from a pr2-pr5 throughout the site in a few days but my link page doesn't register at all. Why? is this just a matter of spiders being slow?
8. As I am meeting with my client on status of campaign, IYHO how long does it take to get ten good, sites, PR4 or bette to link with you?
Ok, School's out, always appeciate your comments, what a savvy board you have here Paynt!
| 7:30 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Hi lisaevenson and welcome to Webmasterworld.
Reciprocal linking isnít a campaign for everyone, nor should it be. I tend to agree that Iím not usually in the market of chasing Pagerank, although many folks are and Iím happy to help with any advice I might share that could help. The folks in the Google forum though have more focused advice to offer on that. I also suggest reading up about these dilution concerns regarding Pagerank, weíve had many discussions focused on that thought specifically and a site search should bring those up for people interested in discussion that theory further.
Even_Steven Ė great post, thanks.
I tend to talk to folks more now who are in your same position. A lot of sites have been going along and doing quite well but then they hit a point where they want try something different, mostly itís when they see the efforts theyíve been making not pushing them ahead like they want. Iím always glad when that takes them to evaluate again what their strategies are.
Developing content to attract people to link can be a very effective strategy. As you also suggest, how the site is laid out can be important on many levels but again, itís not wasted effort to consider the layout of the site in terms of how it might draw in more linking. Are people thinking about that? I hope to bring this out more in the one-way link discussion I hope to start when this one runs it course.
Itís great when your content draws your links in. Thatís when you really begin to see the power you hold, to return a link back. Instead of begging links you are in a power position. In the world of linking today thatís a nice place to be. Believe me, you donít get that position by your Pagerank alone.
| 9:30 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)|
This is my 1000 post [webmasterworld.com] and it has taken me 2 Ĺ years, I canít even count the words and you would not believe the hours for me to reach this milestone. I hope itís something I can look back on later with pride.
Linking for me is about making connections. Yes, in common terms itís just a link, but oh it can be so much more than that. I appreciate those of you who are ďLinking Outside the Box [webmasterworld.com]Ē, thinking outside the box, and especially those planning now about what form your linking strategies will take. I applaud all of you, who upon reading this discussion are taking action with your own site, if only to evaluate.
Reciprocal linking in its simplest form is one site connecting to another with that site connecting back. Nearly every site practices some form of reciprocal linking. It never fails to amaze me how worked up some folks get about reciprocal linking strategies with comments like, ďWE donít reciprocal linkĒ, or ďReciprocal linking isnít a practice suited to OUR businessĒ, or ďOh, is this discussion about reciprocal linking? Well, then thereís nothing in it for me.Ē Ok, again with the cutting the nose off despite the face idea my mamma spoke about.
You all know now what I think about those long ugly link pages with lists of unrelated links, tons of affiliate banners, no unique content. I donít have to keep going there. Hopefully if nothing else this discussion will live on long enough that sites using this form of acknowledgement of their link partners will at least clean house.
Ultimately my plan here with this discussion on reciprocal linking is to encourage folks, if with nothing else than pure peer pressure to
1) Acknowledge that the exchange of even one link between sites constitutes Ďreciprocal linkingí.
2) Clean house, straighten up your where, when, and how you present your link partners links.
3) Think about who the partners are and why before you link.
4) Make it clear and evident on the site what your policy is about linking and offer a clear method for communication. <aside>I intend to bring this up further in discussion because I can just hear the hair rising on the necks of some of you, especially corporate folk or wannabes. See, even with a list we always have something else to look forward to, <wink and wink>.
5) Have to know (as in research and analysis) your industry and competition in order to compete.
6) Consider seriously the risks/benefits before implementing any strategy.
7) Understand the lingo. If you donít understand the terms we use to discuss these issues then you canít follow the discussion. We have a great glossary here and site search so please use them.
8) Encourage each site to be unique with developed content.
9) Be creative, make your reciprocal linking interesting.
10) Treat your partners with respect, as if they were real people not just a link in virtual reality.
11) And oh the bliss once we begin to take the discussions of linking strategy to a higher level. I know Iím holding some of you back and Iím sorry but there are just too many people here that just arenít ready yet but they are interested. I donít want to lose anyone, I just can't carry on multiple leveled discussions right now and work in my real life.
I still hope to talk about maximizing on each links potential. I want to talk about publishing on site the linking policy. Iíd like to talk more about how much of what folks are doing these days with their linking is contrived and manipulated, as is every aspect of doing biz on the web. Some of that manipulation is better than others, almost seamless to the point where it doesnít appear contrived. I donít even think I have to go into again my long list of pet peeves for those folks with the ugly reciprocal linking, although I may throw in a few more, hehehe.
Even among professionals and in conversations with people I really respect I bump into misunderstandings about reciprocal linking, including the judgment statements I suggested above. I think we need to keep talking about that. I try to steer clear of ethical discussions but they are valid and I donít mind hearing debate about that. We can even take some of these ideas that come up and start new discussions, if we have enough interest.
To begin with I plan to start one on one-way linking, I think that will be popular. Iíd like to talk more specifics about building the area of the site where reciprocal links are housed, as in directory development, hub, weaving links through the site, and so on.
I hope we can keep moving forward as a community, encouraging and correcting each other as we can. Sharing strategies and helping others, giving away tips, it doesnít hurt you professionally. What I offer up here doesnít hurt my sites or clients, it can only make it better.
It probably wonít come today but I want to acknowledge the posts by Aravindgp, Carfac, India_max, Skylo, Stever and Australiangirl. Iím sorry if Iíve gotten behind. Now, come join my party in community and tell me why you post. Why you are willing to give up a few of your tips? What is it about this community, knowing there are dozens of folks reading you donít even know about lurking, that draws you in to posting. Hope to see you there and in Boston where we can really talk linking.
| 10:54 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Congratulations Paynt on the 1000th post. Your contributions to this forum are beyond amazing. I hope to be like you when I grow up :-)
This thread on linking is a perfect place for you to celebrate your 1000 post milestone.
| 10:56 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Thanks for the excellent topic. I was just about to throw out my reciprocal link campaign because all the problems with page rank. But this discussion and finding out about hubs and directories has saved all that. I see a little bit more clearly how reciprocal linking can be used to achieve a higher site ranking with Google (my sites objective).
I am especially interested in how to build a hub and get established as an authority. I'm very interested to hear what you have to say about:
|Iíd like to talk more specifics about building the area of the site where reciprocal links are housed, as in directory development, hub, weaving links through the site, and so on. |
| 1:06 am on Apr 1, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Ok, that was fun so letís move on. Aravindgp, Carfac, India_max, Skylo, Stever and Australiangirl all have comments and questions and I want to help if I can.
Before I move on though, thank you nice folks all. JustTrying thanks for your kind comments and businessezines itís just going to keep getting better. Iíll move quickly into discussions of housing links because itís really important. Weíre all so wrapped up in that, where to put links. Probably because we havenít thought enough about how it will benefit us. There are too many people thinking reciprocal linking will limit them or hold them back. Much of that relates to, ďWhere do I put this link?Ē Iím glad you want to talk more about that.
Iím of the old school or the lazy school but I want every effort I put into a site to pay off ten fold. I think any small effort should be more than worth it, all that maximizing on potential. I should say effort and money. We havenít talked about money yet in this discussion and I think thatís odd. Please, donít let me forget to talk about money and linking, boy do I have a few things to say about that. There may even be a pet peeve in there.
Aravindgp, I just love working with keywords. I do hope Even_Steven returns with response since it is that post that triggered this question.
My take on keywords and reciprocal linking Ė I work keywords on every page, nothing left undone. One way I use keywords is to draw in linking partners. I have to let them know I am linking so those keywords need to be highlighted. Anchor text is one method as well as all the optimization tips weíre used to.
Another way I use keywords is in the structure of the linking program Iíve elected to use. Directories are the easiest and perhaps common method people are comfortable with. A good directory is nothing to laugh at and can compliment many different types of businesses, even corporate. A directory can be offered as a resource or additional services yet allow the site to distance themselves from problems. Ok, in the perfect world where only one person owns a site and every link is a friend this may not be the strategy for you. Then again there are many industries that can benefit by developing a directory for their reciprocal links. Pumping out those keywords into a directory may be one method used to round out a site. The more ways I can find on a site to promote my keywords, the better balanced I am.
Another method of reciprocal linking and keywords is the idea of asking others to provide content in exchange for a link back. Try to think of audiences you want to attract for linking. Now, do some research and see where the holes on information are for your subject and seek out sites that provide quality content on that topic and ask them to provide you with an article. Let them know youíll link back from a bio with the anchor text they want. Give them two links even, one to their main page and one their content area. Of course these arenít competitors but perhaps peripheral industries. Give them their own page but work it. I respond to requests for content. I actually ended up with a perfect business partnership for me that started because a member here asked me to write an article for his hub.
I can hardly wait to talk about keywords and linking without the limitations of this discussionís focus on reciprocal linking. Iím blogging again, sorry.
| 2:16 am on Apr 1, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Hello Paynt and all;
First, I've been reading this thread diligently and wish to thank all who have posted for their participation, especially Paynt. This is truely something I needed right now.
Linking is not something I have pursued at all. Enough other sites have found my site and linked to it to give mysite at least a modest exposure on the web.
I have just completely redesigned the site from the ground up, using what I've learned here at WW. Hopefully I've been paying attention and learn the correct lessons. :)
Now, in the new site design I have attempted to plan for establishing a linking program. Some will be in a links (directory style) section, some through-out the site on appropriate pages (some as stand alone links and some imbedded in the content text, as most appropriate), and some time limited links in a current events type section.
Now, the mix of reciprical links with one-way out-bound and one-way in-bound links is something I am pondering.
Well, I've probably wandered far off topic, so I'll again say thanks.
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