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Bury my "Links Page" directory to save page rank?
Or keep it @ root level & promote it for hits as links page?
martinibuster




msg:418620
 5:46 pm on Jun 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

On the plus side: If I keep it at root level, with the full weight of my pagerank of 7, I can optimize that page for the keyword term of "Your_industry_here Links" and then absorb hits from those people and have the opportunity to convert them to browse my site.

Negative side: I will be leaking out pagerank 7 to my reciprical linkers.

To counter that, I can bury the Links Page directory inside another directory, then put it inside of another directory, and thus (I believe) conserve the amount pagerank leaking out, but perhaps not ranking high for "Your_industry_here Links" and missing out on more potential hits.

Any thoughts on which strategy to follow or of an alternate strategy?

Thanks!

 

thiefware




msg:418650
 11:22 am on Aug 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

fathom,

You are entitled to your opinions.

My thiefware.com site is a resource unlike other sites that are commercial in nature. If I happen to find useful tidbits about thiefware, I link to them when I have the time to add links. In that respect, that site is all about providing a resource and links added don't really have anything to do with PR though I do accept sites wanting to link for commercial reasons to raise PR (but that's not the focus of thiefware.com).

However, when it comes to a site where I intend on making money through commissions (an affiliate site), I will trade links to boost PR. The sites I trade links with are many times direct competitors and I insist on a link back as it should be. If I link to them they had better link back or their link is removed.

I have no other reason to link to them otherwise--why would I??? Because it helps in PR. But I also don't necessarily want people to actually go into that directory and click on competitor links which ultimately can lead to lost commissions. It's a trade-off at the moment that I'm willing to make. Whether you want to admit it or not, getting higher PR does have an influence on rank. If my site ranks higher, my site has a better chance of getting more commissions—it's that simple.

I'm gonna do what helps me to make the most commissions and boosting PR is gonna help towards that for now. I'm not in it to send traffic away like you are, but am into it to gain positions for relevant keywords that my visitors are looking under in the engines to help them find my site. I'd rather have 50 reciprocals for my affiliate site that get me a number of 1-10 rank in the engines—that's gonna make sales and commissions.

Adding links for the sake of adding links and gaining nothing in rank won't help my site to refer customers if my rank is 65. Nobody will see my site in the engines with that strategy—that's just a stupid strategy for me. I have a very real reason for linking—just not the same reason as you do. That doesn't make my reason any less legitimate than yours (which you seem to want to imply, but I think you are wrong in this instance IMO). You have your reasons for whatever you are doing and that's OK. I do too.

For you to say that my reasons are not legit, you are misleading other people into believing in your ways and that does not help other people who want to learn how to raise their ranks. Your ways have merits and my ways do too. To say otherwise is to fool people.

I have to insist on reciprocals because in my case it makes sense.

fathom




msg:418651
 1:09 pm on Aug 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

It obvious I lost something in the translation, because I'm really confused now.

My thiefware.com site is a resource unlike other sites that are commercial in nature. If I happen to find useful tidbits about thiefware, I link to them when I have the time to add links.

Adding content that you currently don't have already, no problem here.

In that respect, that site is all about providing a resource and links added don't really have anything to do with PR though I do accept sites wanting to link for commercial reasons to raise PR (but that's not the focus of thiefware.com).
No problem here either. I love people linking to me especially when they just link and ask for nothing in return. In this case, I don't care what type of link they use or crawl-ability.

However, when it comes to a site where I intend on making money through commissions (an affiliate site), I will trade links to boost PR. The sites I trade links with are many times direct competitors and I insist on a link back as it should be. If I link to them they had better link back or their link is removed.
Yup reciprocal linking is good, above all else a new channel for visitors.

I have no other reason to link to them otherwise--why would I??? Because it helps in PR. But I also don't necessarily want people to actually go into that directory and click on competitor links which ultimately can lead to lost commissions. It's a trade-off at the moment that I'm willing to make. Whether you want to admit it or not, getting higher PR does have an influence on rank. If my site ranks higher, my site has a better chance of getting more commissions—it's that simple.
OK, this is where we differ. You want the link for PR "only" for better positioning, for what -- more visitors. And according to the way I am intrepreting your argument, you don't care about the potential visitors that can come from this particular linkage. In theory, if these recip sites are direct competitors, associated in the same industry or targeting the same markets, I got to assume theirs is a similar type of audience and the possibility of them coming to you.

I'm gonna do what helps me to make the most commissions and boosting PR is gonna help towards that for now. I'm not in it to send traffic away like you are, but am into it to gain positions for relevant keywords that my visitors are looking under in the engines to help them find my site. I'd rather have 50 reciprocals for my affiliate site that get me a number of 1-10 rank in the engines—that's gonna make sales and commissions.
If I have external links and you have external links how am I sending traffic away and you don't. People click on what you provide them and whether you provide what they want or not they are going to leave. How they experienced your site will determine how well they remember you and return.

Adding links for the sake of adding links and gaining nothing in rank won't help my site to refer customers if my rank is 65. Nobody will see my site in the engines with that strategy—that's just a stupid strategy for me. I have a very real reason for linking—just not the same reason as you do. That doesn't make my reason any less legitimate than yours (which you seem to want to imply, but I think you are wrong in this instance IMO). You have your reasons for whatever you are doing and that's OK. I do too.

For you to say that my reasons are not legit, you are misleading other people into believing in your ways and that does not help other people who want to learn how to raise their ranks. Your ways have merits and my ways do too. To say otherwise is to fool people.

Actually what I indicated was "under productive". To re-phrase everything you do is designed to get better SERP's so that you can get more visitors to make more money. I agree. My point can be best illustrated by Amazon.com. Each quarter 20 - 30% of all sales come directly from affiliated links provided by other sites and not directly from the main page or SERP's. Where the person leaves on one site (in this case - they want to buy a product but the site their on doesn't actually sell it, so... click) the precise content (product) is directly in front of them on the amazon site the moment they clicked. How many sales do you think Amazon would make if the process was investigate a links page to click and once at amazon they had to go looking for the product.

Assuming that all your reciprocal affiliates adds links to gain PR and SERP's only it is likely neither site will gain any traffic from each other. Therefore if the visitor at the affilates site doesn't find what they want -- how enticing is it for them to come to your site to recieve that information, product, or service.

I have to insist on reciprocals because in my case it makes sense.
Actually so do I. I also consider why and how a visitor will use it (the link that is - and also insist my affiliates do the same for me.

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