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Checking Backlinks - Find Interesting Results
wfernley




msg:426732
 6:44 pm on May 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hey everyone,

I'm going through all the websites that I have exchanged links with and I am removing all those who placed a link to my site on a non-indexed page.

I am finding some interesting results....

Some pages I will look up and Google says they are not listed. When I visit the page though, my PR tool shows me that the page has PR. How can this be?

Can anyone explain this too me? Should I trust Google if it says the page is not indexed?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Wes

 

web257




msg:426733
 7:03 pm on May 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi,

How are you checking to see if google has the site indexed?

wfernley




msg:426734
 7:17 pm on May 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

In Google I am typing "site:http://www.example.com"

Jane_Doe




msg:426735
 8:05 pm on May 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

Some pages I will look up and Google says they are not listed. When I visit the page though, my PR tool shows me that the page has PR. How can this be?

Google doesn't always index all the pages in each site these days post Big Daddy. Links pages may not always be indexed because of Google's criteria, even though the site owners may have done nothing to prevent the pages from being indexed.

I have some pages with page rank that are not indexed in Google.

wfernley




msg:426736
 8:16 pm on May 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

So would it be a smart idea to not exchange links with websites that will have my reciprocal link on a non indexed page? Or, is this going to be like looking up "links:www.mydomain.com" in Google - it doesn't show you all the links but Google sees them.

Jane_Doe




msg:426737
 10:07 pm on May 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

So would it be a smart idea to not exchange links with websites that will have my reciprocal link on a non indexed page?

It would probably a smart idea to not exchange links. ;)

leadegroot




msg:426738
 3:33 am on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

a better way to check if a particular page is in the index is to search for something on the page, say a phrase on the page, in quotes.
Sometimes you have to try a couple of strings.
If that fails, then the page isn't indexed and it wouldn't be a good candidate for a link exchange.

wfernley




msg:426739
 12:49 pm on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

That is a good idea as well.

I think I have a hard time exchanging links because many of my pages do not have PR yet. They used too but not anymore.

jchampliaud




msg:426740
 2:17 pm on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

Iím sorry if Iím missing something but even if a page is not indexed by Goggle it still could send you visitors i.e. have some link exchange value. Also itís possible that a non indexed page could be helping, okay not a lot but just a little in terms of seo and can it really hurt to have non indexed pages linking to your site.
What Iím saying is I hope youíre using more than one criteria in your link house cleaning.

SueBee




msg:426741
 6:47 pm on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

My link Pages used to be indexed. Since Big Daddy they don't show any more in the site:mysite command except the main directory page which is PR5, but they still have their page rank (mostly PR4 but a few PR0 as well)

Google is still spidering them. A couple of times I've got the grey bar on all of them - no page rank available for this page - then half an hour later the PR is back.
And after the last time that happened one of the new pages that was PR0 changed to PR4.

I think that it's kind of like the links. Google knows they are there and looks at them, but it mostly doesn't want to dish up a links page for a search term. Sounds pretty reasonable to me. If I'm looking for something I don't want to go to someone else's links page - I want to go directly to the mother site.

I personally think that the idea of a links page is to have real live people clicking on the links because they like your site and want to find similar sites.
I've built my whole linking campaign on that premise. My best link partners give me up to 45 visits a month and I hope I do the same back to them.

Really, most everyone is a bit too fixated on PR. Do you really think that a machine can figure out what is a good site and what isn't? Would you go to a beauty contest where machine's judged the contestants to see who was going to be Miss America? I think it would be pretty funny! Is the google spider going to buy any of your product?

My advice is to look at your logs at the end of each month and delete the partners who haven't sent you any visitors.

wfernley




msg:426742
 2:30 pm on Jun 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Getting visitors from Link Exchanges is very rare from my experience.

The only time I get visitors is if the website is related and my link is fixed somewhere prominent on their website. I also get visitors which is just the webmaster looking for his link.

It looks like all link pages that have nothing to do with the website they are on (an example is a real estate catgory on a security page) are getting de-indexed. I have no PR on my pages now and they are not indexed.

Very Strange

leadegroot




msg:426743
 11:07 pm on Jun 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

My advice is to look at your logs at the end of each month and delete the partners who haven't sent you any visitors.

Thats good technique, but use it over the long term, not the short term.
Logs lie, man!
Ok, 'lie' is too strong - not all of your traffic will reach your site; some of it pulls the page from a cache between your server and the visitor.
No hits from a link over a period of months probably means no value in the link, but no hits over a week or less is probably meaningless.

Lorel




msg:426744
 2:17 am on Jun 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Google is having an indexing problem--more likely a space problem--and it's dropping pages from it's "visible" index.

Just because a page doesn't show up in the site command doesn't mean that it's not still indexed and these pages usually still show up in the SERPs.

Just like the Link command, the site command also doesn't work like it used to. Hopefully this is temporary.

To make sure a page is still indexed, search for it's title in Google--it will probably still show up in the SERPs.

londrum




msg:426745
 10:21 am on Jun 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

i always use
@:www.website.com

instead of
site:www.website.com, or link:www.website.com

for some reason that brings up more backward links than the other two. i got that tip from someone on this board. can't remember who, though. but thanks to them anyway.

toothake




msg:426746
 10:55 am on Jun 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

I check daily some competition guys in my area that have the usual full up with tones of recip/link exchange directory,interesting is that Google on a daily basis has fresh date for there index while other sites with more Authority does not..Buck in time I have noticed the same thing with other sites just before big updates like florida and burbon,what happen was that those pages got a big hit by each update, that smells to me only one thing ,as the new guidelines of Google has been set no more recip/linking what I strongly believe is that in the next days ,weeks ,months after the Big Daddy indexing will be finish a huge update will make many traditional link hunders that rank now tops looking at page 9-20 of the SERPS to find there previous positions ;)
Looks after all you better clean up all your link pages if you want to stay alive IMHO.

toothake




msg:426747
 10:58 am on Jun 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Oh I forgot ,I am sure many of us cleaning or have clean up already there link pages so my theory that the coming new back link update will be a surprise for many gamers of the system hase a strong base.I 'd love some comments on that.

SueBee




msg:426748
 3:58 pm on Jun 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't know what google has to do with it all. They've said that they're not going to give rank based on reciprocal links, so I suppose that once Big Daddy is actually working, if it ever does, that they will not give rank based on reciprocal links.

Reciprical links existed before Google and page rank! They existed because if you had reciprical links with sites that appealed to the same sort of person that your site did, then you both got more visitors out of the deal.

My best link partner sends me between 33 and 45 visitors a month. My link there is just half way down a page on a well organised link directory - nothing special about it except that if you are looking for wholesale widgets all the links on that page will take you to a site that actually sells wholesale widgets.

So as I see it, the link directory that is well organised has a role to play in marketing. Forget about the search engines. Just think about this: Would a real live customer of that site actually find and go to the link directory or is it hidden away as if the site was ashamed of it?
And if they go to it, will it be organised enough that they can find what they are looking for easily?
If there are 500 mixed links on a page, then I'd say forget it. Who would ever bother to more than glance at the page.

But if it has a page just for wholesale blue fuzzy widgets and that's what you sell, Then you bet you want to be on that page. The person coming from that page wants what you have.

Google might tell you that there are more than 2 million sites about selling wholesale fuzzy blue widgets, but that is just not true! Maybe more like 20 or 30 people actually do sell fuzzy blue widgets wholesale. So who wants to wade through all the garbage that Google dishes up on that sort of search!

webweasel




msg:426749
 12:40 am on Jun 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm looking for a couple of tools:

First, I need a tool that will take all outbound links from site (a) and than check to see if the outbound links (b,c,d,e,f & g) show back links to site (a) on the major SE. I need to do this with a large number of sites and cannot do it manually.

Second, I need a tool for checking a large number of inbound links making sure they are in place and showing the current g88gle PageRank.

Kirby




msg:426750
 4:55 am on Jun 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

They've said that they're not going to give rank based on reciprocal links, so I suppose that once Big Daddy is actually working, if it ever does, that they will not give rank based on reciprocal links.

Pure speculation. Show me proof and i'll show you pages ranking solely because of recip links. Show me some proof, not just some cuttlet's take of idle gossip and reading the tea leaves on Matt's blog.

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