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PR on Sites Selling Links on Ebay Dropping
Yesterday they were 8's and today - OUCH!
JefferyD




msg:422145
 8:22 am on Feb 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

If you go to Ebay and scan through the text link listings, you'll see a couple of PR 8 sites selling links. I checked them yesterday and can verify they actually were PR8's according to my Google toolbar. I just checked one tonight I was actually thinking about placing a link on because it was relevant to my site and it is now a PR0.

I thought, well maybe something is wrong with my toolbar so I checked other sites including my own and saw no change. I then went back to Ebay and checked another site that was a PR8 yesterday. Tonight, it's a PR4.

Hmmm.....

 

Smashing Young Man




msg:422146
 4:40 pm on Feb 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

I just checked some other auctions selling high PR links after reading your post and, on the majority of them, the PR of the page they're advertising to place the link on has much lower or zero PR. I'd say there is a pretty good chance that Google is nuking their PR as a result of these auctions.

Liane




msg:422147
 5:05 pm on Feb 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Good ... serves them right!

derrickcm




msg:422148
 9:39 am on Feb 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Most of the PR8 links I see on ebay seem to have fake pagerank anyways, so it could just be Google noticing the deceitful techniques of the pages that are selling these links. If the pagerank of a web site you are buying a link off of is important, please read the following two tips:

1) An important thing anyone should do before they buy a text link off ebay, is do a google search for the URL they provide. For example, if someone is selling a pr8 link on http://www.example.com and you Google search that URL, and the listing comes up as www.someothersite.com then the pagerank is probably fake.

2) Use one of the various pagerank checkers online. Some of them work better than others, but this is another important thing people who are considering buying text links should think about.

While its possible that Google is punishing web pages for selling text links on ebay, it is probably more likely they are punishing web pages who are trying to cheat the system instead in my opinion.

[edited by: martinibuster at 10:00 am (utc) on Feb. 6, 2006]
[edit reason] Examplified URL. [/edit]

arran




msg:422149
 5:29 pm on Feb 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Do you really think google would spend money monitoring ebay auctions?
This is pure fantasy (with some toolbar PR flunctuaction thrown in).

arran.

mister charlie




msg:422150
 9:02 pm on Feb 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Do you really think google would spend money monitoring ebay auctions?

how much do you possibly think it would cost them to monitor? a simple search on "pagerank" at ebay yields a decent amount of results.

i wouldn't consider it "fantasy" to think that perhaps somebody at google may be looking. but i have been accused of a heightened sense of paranoia...

Smashing Young Man




msg:422151
 5:04 pm on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Do you really think google would spend money monitoring ebay auctions?
This is pure fantasy (with some toolbar PR flunctuaction thrown in).
arran.

Not a fantasy at all. For example, many online game companies monitor Ebay auctions for people selling their game accounts and items, which violates many games' TOS. With that, it isn't a huge stretch of the imagination to assume that the mighty Google would do the same in an effort to maintain the integrity of their results.

arran




msg:422152
 12:18 pm on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

game accounts and items

These companies are losing money because of ebay auctions, Google are not.

Google are effective at automating things. Rather than use resources to monitor ebay or process scraped results from ebay, I reckon they would spend the money on R+D (e.g. how to spot paid links automatically).

arran.

Murdoch




msg:422153
 5:53 pm on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

I actually wouldn't be surprised at all if Google paid someone to manually locate sites selling links. It would take literally 15 minutes for someone to jot down all the sites in violation on Ebay. This is less about who is losing money and more about Google putting their money where their mouth is in upholding their stance on blatantly selling PR. I think soon enough link brokers will be on the same shelf (although they may circumvent these penalties by paying "commission" to Google).

Gunny




msg:422154
 10:27 pm on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Come on people...Google could write a script to parse ebay data for pagerank, text links or whatever it may be and then locate the seller site(s)utilizing whois data to see if they have any other sites and/or run backlink checks looking for same ip subnet screens or crosslinking and bam...BANNED! If the eBay text brokers/sellers haven't had their site banned yet, they are in for a rude awakening to find their site with a pr0.

Google has no tolerance for text link brokers/sellers!

Trying to artificially inflate rankings by purchasing text links does affect G. Poor sites that end up gaining high rankings in G because they purchase text links from high pr pages, results in poor search results for the public which may end up using another search engine because they dind't like the results they received.

Concluding, Google's earnings are HUGE! Google earns $1,000,000.00 per employee. If they had to pay someone to monitor eBay and other Dutch bidding sites , I bet they can afford it and would not hesitate to do so to ensure stability in the marketplace.

Bottom line is DO NOT PURCHASE TEXT LINKS. You will be caught, yes even if you cloak, and you will have to start over from scratch. Not worth it in my book.

derrickcm




msg:422155
 2:42 am on Feb 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

I just wanted to quickly make a note that buying text links isn't really the bad thing here that web sites would get penalized for I don't believe... but buying pagerank is. I think its a great idea to buy text links on relevant content web sites that have decent pagerank, and/or decent alexa ranking/decent traffic. The only problem is when a seller is blatently selling pagerank or claims they can help you to increase your PR where you might run into trouble. I don't want to go too far off topic here, but I would be suprised if web sites got penalized by google simply for selling text links on ebay. It's just selling pagerank or ways to artificially increase your pagerank that would violate Google's TOS.

tigertom




msg:422156
 5:22 pm on Feb 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

Possibly using a 302 redirect to temporarily increase their PR, perhaps?

You need to do 'link:www.example.com' to see how many sites are linking to the selling site. Also 'site:www.example.com'. That should weed out a fake.

[edited by: martinibuster at 9:11 pm (utc) on Feb. 12, 2006]
[edit reason] Example.com is for examples. ;) [/edit]

wileystudios




msg:422157
 11:21 pm on Feb 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

The new release of "Big Daddy" is going after all these sites that use 302 redirects to make a worthless site look good. I think the days of buying text links on eBay are over.

mister charlie




msg:422158
 11:37 pm on Feb 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

was there ever a day for buying links on ebay?

if it could be done that easily, then the text link broker industry never would have sprung up.

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