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Current thinking about submitting articles?
MANY questions about submitting articles.
monger




msg:423230
 8:20 pm on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've read the past threads regarding submitting articles, but as Google & the rest change the way they see things, I am wondering if the thinking on this has changed.

I am looking to increase traffic, obtain links, and improve PR. On our website we have posted original articles that we have written on topics that pertain to what we sell.

It would be nice to have the fact that they are there cause other sites to link to us, but we're pretty new so I don't think anyone will really just stumble across these articles.

Therefore, I am considering doing re-written versions of these articles and then submitting them to article directories.

Do I need to significantly rewrite the article so that it is not a duplicate of the one on my site? What are the negative consequences if the article is deemed the same?

Should I submit the same rewritten article to many directories, or will that cause Google & the rest to penalize me? That is to say, is there any danger in submitting the same article all over the place?

With what frequency should I submit articles? 1 a week? More? Less? Any danger in doing too many too quickly?

I know. A lot of questions. But everything I find to read on the subject is a year old or more, and my sense is that these things change quickly.

Thanks for any help!

[edited by: martinibuster at 8:42 pm (utc) on Jan. 25, 2006]
[edit reason] No Lists Please. Thanks. [/edit]

 

celgins




msg:423231
 1:51 am on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Welcome to WW, Monger!

Therefore, I am considering doing re-written versions of these articles and then submitting them to article directories.

I'm guessing that you're referring to submitting your articles to, "articles-for-reprint" databases, where webmasters are allowed to use your articles on their website?

If so, you don't have to change or rewrite your articles. In fact, most authors are adamant about not changing the text within their articles and may submit them to dozens of article directories. Plus, if you write articles and submit them to those sites, you can include a, "resource box" at the end which has your name, a link to your website, and whatever information you wish to put there.

If you're worried about Google seeing your articles somewhere else on the web and calling it a duplication, thereby banning you from Adsense/Adwords, etc., I don't think that's going to happen. Google is more focused on the verbatim duplication of whole website content, not just an article or two.

In other words, if you write an article that appears on your website and it also appears on the NY Times website, Joes website, and the AnyTown community website, it won't cause you to get banned.

If, however, you have entire web pages (text, graphics, etc.) duplicated from other websites, Google may frown upon it.

How often should you submit articles?

Depends on how fast you can write 'em!

If article duplication causes a problem with Google or the other search engines, I would be very surprised. The entire, "articles-for-reprint" industry is pretty well-established and reprinting articles has been happening since the first days of the internet.

If you're too worried about it though, you may want to consider adding RSS/XML feeds to your website. That way, others can serve your articles on their website, but the link comes back to your site.

(I know...that doesn't really solve the problem of increasing traffic, since they would have to get to your site somehow!)

monger




msg:423232
 5:52 pm on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks, Celgins, that clears up a lot!

So we do have the RSS feed thing available, and hopefully someday that will get some things rolling. In the meantime, I'll submit the articles I have already written to a few of those article directories with that resource box and see what it does for our traffic & inbound links.

I guess I had heard somewhere that if you suddenly start getting a lot of inbound links from articles, you can get penalized. I think that must be more the story for websites that are sending out hundreds of articles they bought or whatever. Probably not my case, where it's maybe a dozen original articles that we wrote ourselves.

So now that my first set of fears have been laid to rest, here's one more question. Should I have every article link back to our main page in the resource box, or should I try to spread it around a little, and have some link to other pages within our site?

martinibuster




msg:423233
 6:04 pm on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

If you're worried about Google seeing your articles somewhere else on the web and calling it a duplication, thereby banning you from Adsense/Adwords, etc., I don't think that's going to happen. Google is more focused on the verbatim duplication of whole website content, not just an article or two.

That is not the prudent thing to do. You cannot rely on the search engines to identify which article is the original. If the search engines get it wrong, your website traffic dries up. Happens all the time.

If your content is your livelihood, do you really want to take chances with that?

Just use your head: Are you willing to risk putting your content in jeopardy, no matter how remote the chance, in order to shave a few days of work? Use your common sense.

Creating new content for distribution is the way to go.

graywolf




msg:423234
 6:10 pm on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

If you want to make the most of your research time write the the longer A+ quality article for your own website. Then rewrite (notice I said rewrite not copy and paste) a shorter condensed version of your article to syndicate (did I mention it should different and not a copy and paste job). The second 'lite' version should be much easier to write than the first.

monger




msg:423235
 4:44 pm on Jan 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

OK, gang- so I did rewritten, "lite" versions of 4 articles so far. I put them out to the niche spots that relate to the content specifically, as well as to 2 of the bigger article directories which had categories related to the content. I'll keep doing more, maybe one a day or so.

Now how do I track where the article is ending up?

I read some threads about the need to keep on top of this, to make sure webmasters are using your resource box.

Thanks!

graywolf




msg:423236
 4:42 am on Jan 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

Now how do I track where the article is ending up?

Put a unique string of text in the body of all your articles (the body not the resource box). Go to MSN and do a search for the quoted phrase, grab the rss version of the serp and add it to your feed reader. Isn't perfect but will have do until yahoo and google release RSS serps.

CainIV




msg:423237
 8:05 am on Jan 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

Create new content for distribution as martini has stated. I have often written two versions of the same article, one for my site and one for distribution, but have found it to make little difference as the original articles on my site are not filtered as dupes, even though others have published them.

I guess I had heard somewhere that if you suddenly start getting a lot of inbound links from articles, you can get penalized.

It's unlikely as usually links from articles are longer term, less frequent and are linked to you in a natural way. This greatly decreases the odds of any filters on Google's part.

I have found success linking in my article to the homepage and (if allowed) from content in the article WHERE it makes sense. If it doesn't make sense, I won't do it.

Write 5+ unique byline descriptions for your articles when sending out for distribution, and write 5-10 anchors to point at your homepage. Combining the two elements gives you up to 50 slightly different options. Obviously more would be even better...

I stopped tracking my articles long ago and now only run the article url through copyscape.com to ensure there is no blatant duplication.

raveon




msg:423238
 9:34 am on Jan 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hello everybody, haven't been here for quite awhile so I hope my comments are not unwelcome.

Based on my information regarding duplicate content since the Jagger update late in 2005;

Google does not "ban" sites for duplicate content, it merely filters them from search results (can sure feel like a ban though)

Google will indeed filter your page for duplicate content, nothing to do with your "site"

In fact Googles new algo may indeed filter you for a few duplicate paragraphs within a page never mind a fully identical page

No search engine can function without a dup filter, not possible.

A dup filter is NOT the same thing as a dup penalty which in turn is not related to being banned.

Monger you are doing the wise thing, rewrite the articles.

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