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If you had 10 people for link development
what would you put them on?
Crush




msg:427202
 7:47 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

A. Recips
B. Writing articles
c. Contacting relevant sites 1 by 1
d. Spam webmasters
e. Contact sites for paid links
f 2 monkeys on each of the above

 

iamlost




msg:427203
 12:16 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

You mean stop doing everything myself?
Sheeesh, what a concept!

b. Writing articles
Nine.
c. Contacting relevant sites 1 by 1
e. Contact sites for paid links

One.

But I do not want employees ... nor monkeys ... in either case they yibber-yabber and want to be fed. Yes, I have no bananas today.

martinibuster




msg:427204
 1:47 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

This is a great question that relates to the evolving face of link development and how it's going to be done in the coming months and years.

What is your take on this?

Note to those who don't frequent this forum too often:
Link Monkeys is industry slang for the people who work making links happen. What the military might call a grunt, we call link monkeys.

bsterz




msg:427205
 2:18 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think it's a large step on the part of Google to actually make sites think about ways to improve. I know many will find great ways to game it, but they are getting closer and closer to actually forcing webmaters to improve websites.

~ducks~

sugarrae




msg:427206
 2:22 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

If you're hiring independents who have no corporate motivation to stay with you, first things first, I would only have each one doing one piece of the pie. No need to train a link developer on every link technique you know so they can figure out that they really don't need *you* to make money. ;-)

I'm not too comfy with giving a detailed list because, truly, being able to develop quality links en masse is one of the things that makes an SEO valuable.

But, I will say that link strategy isn't something I would have them focus on - hand them a detailed list... x type of links for x site with x anchor (your anchor list).

I also have link developers act as scouts... they see other sites in the industry a *lot* in their travels. I have them keep track of neat features/things they see on other sites so that you have a list full of ideas when you have time to improve your own.

In addition these days, good links are marketing deals. It will take a special type of personality (and likely a higher paid one) to strike up the "valuable" link partnerships and someone with charisma if you plan on contacting other webmasters by phone.

But for the basics, anyone can follow a detailed list. Though, it does take a good brain to be able to "get" the process and develop links at a fast pace. As "monkey" as the work may seem - being able to do detailed searches, figure out new avenues/related avenues and spotting crap from good quickly takes some "knack".

>>>out sourcing link building is just plain dumb ..quality links are what counts long term and if you think they are that important ..do your own ..

I'd say I'd agree with outsourcing it to people you have no control over, unless you know and trust the person behind it - but there is no reason not to hire some in house. Focus your talent on what not "everyone" can do. You can believe that big companies with hundreds of websites do not have their talented SEO's submitting articles.

ownerrim




msg:427207
 2:28 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

A. Recips
B. Writing articles
c. Contacting relevant sites 1 by 1
d. Spam webmasters
e. Contact sites for paid links
f 2 monkeys on each of the above

A. Wouldn't have them go after recips because I wouldn't trust someone else to solicit links on my behalf.

B. Might get someone to write articles, but I would have to proof each one and handle the submission process myself.

C. Wouldn't trust someone else to contact sites 1 by
1 on my behalf--but this is the best means for me to
develop links personally.

d. no way ever

e. would tend to rule this one out.

Leosghost




msg:427208
 2:29 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

In house ..agreed ..can work if well done ..when I was a kid outhouse was where we went to take a ****..

Mostly what you find there still

sugarrae




msg:427209
 2:31 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>I would have to proof each one and handle the submission process myself

Every writer needs to be edited. You don't neccessarily have to be the one to do that, but all copy, whether written by yourself, the leading industry expert or a plain old content writer for hire should be proofed. However, if the person you hire isn't capable of submitting an article to an article site following instructions you've laid out for them - they're a bad hire. ;-)

Kirby




msg:427210
 2:33 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

In addition these days, good links are marketing deals. It will take a special type of personality (and likely a higher paid one) to strike up the "valuable" link partnerships and someone with charisma if you plan on contacting other webmasters by phone.

But for the basics, anyone can follow a detailed list. Though, it does take a good brain to be able to "get" the process and develop links at a fast pace. As "monkey" as the work may seem - being able to do detailed searches, figure out new avenues/related avenues and spotting crap from good quickly takes some "knack".

IMO Sugarrae hit a few nails on the head. Dovetail this with MB's earlier posts about link pattern detection by Google and if you dont have a specific plan of action coupled with quality controls , then those just employing link monkeys may not get the quality results they expect.

Lobo




msg:427211
 3:46 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I find recips a waste of time ...?

Usually if someone is up for it they are also attempting to up their linkage and incoming links are best served through quality high ranking established sites who pretty much piss on recips.. no need for them to do it...

You then have a whole bunch of useless links on your own site just because they are recip, not giving your own users what they are looking for or want, subsequently they may not come back.. who wants a bunch of crap links fed to them?

I find reviews and articles to be good, they bigger the paper/mag the better, not only do more people read about you but you have an honest more authoritative link coming in and no reciprocal required...

Think 'integrated marketing strategy' buzzzzz

WebDon




msg:427212
 4:35 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

...and what about checking on those recips after a week or two to make sure they didn't just go up to get you to link to them? Has anyone found an efficient way to do that without spending hours and hours going to each page to monitor?

hdpt00




msg:427213
 5:26 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

g) 1 in-house software developer to do a-f.

bluentcad




msg:427214
 5:44 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

What are these recips are they same as reciporal linking, or something new.

One more question what is the basic concept of three way linking. Does it mean that if site A is linked to Site B
& Site B links to Site C. then automatically site Site A links to Site C & this would be termed as three way linking.

If there are any live examples, please provide me link.

Thanks

cyclinder




msg:427215
 6:45 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

one day all link development will crash once google will start ranking the sites by their value, not by inbound links.

I believe they will soon start shifting to this strategy slowly, grabbing the needed data from toolbar.

And they we'll be forced to do this to not loose on a long run.

shigamoto




msg:427216
 7:47 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

d) Spamming Webmaster is a tactic I would never ever use. I get tons of mails with link developers sending them over and over again if I don't reply, It really gets me and I would never link them. It just shows how serious they are.

If I had permanent employees I would first of all get them focused on writing articles. If I had as many as ten maybe one of em could focus on offline advertising,

odddogatwork




msg:427217
 8:53 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

found some very good food for thought here.

on the link development, I would recomend thinking about linking within a marketing thoughtset. not a google algo set.

there are services to get listed in 100 directories and it costs all of 10 USD. That is fairly indicative of there value. no traffic will be generated. just a junk link.

since i am no tech wiz, i tend to emphasize the marketing angle. i cannīt black hat even if i wonted to! So just add value, both in content and links. Call webmasters and create long term PERSONAL relationships with them. I know some guys and gals that have over 20 real content sites. get 10 relationships going and you got yourself 200 websites to link to and gets linked from. Easy.

Personal relationships will dominate in this internet marketing world as it does in the real world (i have always hated that diferenciation). Professional content developers will always be creaong new sites or more contenet. There is the gold mine. Spend a month calling around the world. It will be worth it.

I am working on getting an international network of personal contacts. I build a site on green widgets you an orange. I find a good link, but better for organge widgets, i pass it on to my orange widget contact. He,she will do the same for me.

Personal business relationships are based on trust and mutual gain.


martinibuster




msg:427218
 9:05 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

on the link development, I would recomend thinking about linking within a marketing thoughtset. not a google algo set.

Wow, that's cool.

I love it when people drop a different matrix over something and show it from a different perspective!

zikos




msg:427219
 10:04 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

If that is what Google wants then you have to make seperate pages for Google only ,because Yahoo and MSN are based in the good old recipe of inbound links and anchor text(does't the matter of link quality as long as the link goes to your site).It makes me lough Googles primary statement that the Web works like Democracy if you have a lot of votes then you can be elected.What means quality one way links from authority sites or articles ,does anyone knows any democratic country that counts the electorial votes about there quality or check who vote for the liberals the conservatives or the socialists ,as far as I know they check the votes and who voted who only in Dictatorial regimes.

briggidere




msg:427220
 10:46 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

we are about to have someone come in to do some link building for us. saying that, it is only 1 person, not 10.

we have built up a list of what i would call authority sites and was going to get them to contact them one by one. we do offer a free service that would be of benefit to their users so think that we have a reasonable chance of getting quite a few links.

we also write an article a week that goes out which help bring a few links in as well.

we definately wouldn't spam webmasters for links.

briggidere

moneymancn




msg:427221
 10:58 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

<...and what about checking on those recips after a week or two to make sure they didn't just go up to get you to link to them? Has anyone found an efficient way to do that without spending hours and hours going to each page to monitor? >

linkmanager works fine for us.There are some free ones out there but frankly it does a lot more than just check the recips.
No connection btw

MM

odddogatwork




msg:427222
 11:07 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

thanks Martin,

I almost blushed there!

this is hard to express but lets see if i can,

I believe google try there best to organize the worlds info. I believe they remain highly focused on there mission state.

I believe that the fundamental basis that they use is correct (the actual relationship that exists between information).

I believe the maths they use will always evolve to try to match how this information relates together, to match the evolution relationships have in general.

So something great would be to able to create new relationship that is not mass used yet. (look what happened to pr releases and article publishing).

I believe getting in early on a new evolving relationship between my information and the world is a great leap forward.

And I firmly believe that if I can do this eventually google will ctch up with me. And that is a game I would like to play. Rather than me always running behind google. ( jeez, reciprical links, same ip interlinking, site wide linking, all seemed like good ideas to the algo chasers.)

I would recommend that before you jump into a new action plan, put your marketing guruhat on, and look at your idea again.

Quality content stands the test of time. I believe quality marketing does to.

JuniorOptimizer




msg:427223
 11:11 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think I would definitely fire all 10 of them and keep the money for myself. But then I tend more towards "long tail" optimization that most. For me it's easier to land a new, small phrase than battle the same people for the 1, 2, or 3 key word phrases that don't seem to pay as well for me.

fourchette




msg:427224
 11:20 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey all,

Just a quick word about 'spamming webmasters'.

I have to take you back to an oder thread about natural link building where martinibuster explained that it's not enough to have good content, but one has to announce it and tell the world that it's content is online.

I just launched a link building campaing for a 'web guide' type of site. It's not a directory, the pages look more like full articles, and the links are integrated in a logical order for the users.

Well, I 'spammed' all the sites that were included in the guide to tell them that they were selected in my guide. I asked for a link back but clearly stating that it was not necessarey to keep the review of their site in mine.

The email was personal, with the name of the webmaster included and comments about his site.

The message really seems natural and not generated.

Yet, I receive an unbeleivable response: 50% of the sites accepted to link back as for now. All with high pr, and mostly on relevant pages and not on regular link pages.

Just my 2 cents about the fact that spamming can sometomes be confused with making first contact...and that making that contact is goood....

fourchette

elgumbo




msg:427225
 12:24 pm on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Going back to the articles, are these generated to submit to article sites or to bump up the content on your own site?

sugarrae




msg:427226
 1:41 pm on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>b. Writing articles Nine.

I wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket - things change and you want to have them covering all of your bases - not only one. I bet those who spent 98 focused solely on FFA links wished a few years later that they had focused a bit on other link types as well (for those who were looking for long term plays). There are over 25 different "classes" of links you can get (what I consider a "class" others may not) and there is no good reason that I can think of (when looking at the long term play) to have ninety percent of your staff focused on one.

zikos




msg:427227
 1:44 pm on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

best recipe :invest 2-3 million Ģ and buy all top performing domains (PR6+).That's what I'll do if I win the new year's LOTTO :D

georgeek




msg:427228
 1:46 pm on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

There are over 25 different "classes" of links you can get...

Can you list them for us please sugarrae?

sugarrae




msg:427229
 2:24 pm on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>Can you list them for us please sugarrae?

As I said in msg 5 of this thread:

"I'm not too comfy with giving a detailed list because, truly, being able to develop quality links en masse is one of the things that makes an SEO valuable."

Read around here as much as you can and you'll find the bulk of them - and then it becomes easier to spot new opportunities.

mister charlie




msg:427230
 5:00 pm on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

if i had 10 people for link development, i'd fire them all and hire four people to write kick-ass content.

hairycoo




msg:427231
 5:22 pm on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm a big fan of the personal relationship concept but how long do you work on the relationship before asking for the link?

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