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Linking a PR 5 to PR5 and below.
Is the effort worth it?
hulahoop

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Msg#: 2796 posted 7:42 pm on Oct 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hello,

I have a good PR 5 site. I haven't been actively doing link request but am wanting to start again to try to up my rank to 6.

My question is ... is it worth my effort linking to anything 5 or less? I was thinking of dedicating one of my staff to do links at least 2 days in a week. Does exchanging links with a PR 5 cancel it out (I read on this forum that it does?)

Also if the site I link to is PR6 but the page they put my link on is a 4, is it any good? Do I need to be linked on a PR5 and above page to get anywhere?
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Algebrator

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Msg#: 2796 posted 2:35 am on Oct 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

"is it worth my effort linking to anything 5 or less?"
Absolutely - (almost) all links are good. Beside PR not meaning much these days - think about this logic - if your PR5 site will not link to a PR4 site, why would you expect PR6 site to link to you? Also consider:
- PR reporting is very delayed - what you see on the toolbar may be couple of months old and not reflect current PR.
- by giving a PR1 site a PR5 link, you may make it an PR3 site in the next update (so you really have a PR3 BL).

I am not very experienced in the linking game yet, and I am sure that more knowledgable people will have much more to say, but one thing I learned so far is that 'giving' pays off. That said, you have to be careful about the overall quality of the site and not link to junk (regardless of PR)

Buzliteyear

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Msg#: 2796 posted 2:38 am on Oct 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hula, you might get a ton of different answers to your question. The problem is, most of it will be speculation.

G! and Y release very little about the intricicies of their algorithms and how they read and use various links.

My feeling is that today's PR 2 could be tomorrow's PR 7.

Because so little is known, at this point I will take a link from any reputable site. I will link back to most too until there is sufficient evidence to prove otherwise.

But, everything I say is also speculation.

Cheers.

Buz

larryhatch

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Msg#: 2796 posted 4:10 am on Oct 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

This may sound a bit sanctimonious, but I don't even look at the PR of somebody
elses pages before I decide to link to them or not.

I have relatively few outbound links (compared to incoming) and I choose them very carefully.
I look for the very best, most informative pages I can find and link to those,
again without regard to PR. I think this has served my site and its visitors well.

Who knows? My own PR may have benefitted as a result. Best - Larry

conjo_guam

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Msg#: 2796 posted 2:20 pm on Oct 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

My website is not even a year old. It has unique service and content.

I only had 3 outgoing links(to my own websites) and 1 incoming link(from my own website) and my PR went from 0==>2==>3 (now)

I have only started my link development recently.

I think, PR mania is waste of time and money making machine. All what it matters, who are you and what do you have worth for a search engine.

Thanks

hulahoop

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2796 posted 5:12 pm on Oct 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi everybody.
Thanks for the answers. Appreciate your personal insight.

We'll I haven't been actively doing any link exchanges yet have been able to get to a PR5. However I think getting from 0-3 may not be that difficult but I heard 5 to 6 is tough and 6-7 is even more.

Do you agree with this? And if you know why that is so, please do share.

sugarrae

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Msg#: 2796 posted 1:27 pm on Oct 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>And if you know why that is so, please do share

Picture someone running a mile. In the beginning, they can easily go from doing it in twenty minutes to ten minutes, ten minutes to five minutes, five minutes to two minutes... but the better they get, the harder it becomes to shave time off the mile and consistently hit their best time.

Disclaimer: Not that I think TBPR means much. ;-)

aris1970

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Msg#: 2796 posted 6:24 pm on Oct 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think, PR mania is waste of time and money making machine. All what it matters, who are you and what do you have worth for a search engine.

But the meaning of PR is exactly what it matters for you! It's a timely static indication of what your page (site) is worth for Google.

IMO PRmania is NOT a waste of time but it's a money making machine :)

I have seen most of the times PR to be in accordance with a page/site's overall value.

martinibuster

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Msg#: 2796 posted 8:19 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

It's a timely static indication of what your page (site) is worth for Google...I have seen most of the times PR to be in accordance with a page/site's overall value.

No way. The Toolbar PR you are looking at is three to four months old. What is timely or accurate about that?

Furthermore, anyone can purchase a high PR link to push up their toolbar PR but that metric will still be worthless because it doesn't take into account the hundreds of other things that the algo is considering for what constitutes a good valid link as well as relevance.

Just the other day I counselled a client to not purchase a link from a certain niche directory because, although it was a pr 5, the directory was daisychained with several score of other directories and niche websites, all hosted on the same server. Their only legitimate link was one link from DMOZ, and the rest were in crappy neighborhoods. Depending on the Google toolbar to make important business decisions is one of the worst things to do.

Even the Google engineers are on record (in an interview with Mike Grehan) stating that the toolbar does not represent an accurate measure of what Google thinks about a website. So if you don't believe the search engineers, I really don't know what to tell you.

chris surfrider

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Msg#: 2796 posted 12:41 am on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

My thoughts are the same.

I don't even consider PR when linking or requesting links.

It really means nothing. Just make sure the links are relevant, and from a quality site with great content.

Can't go wrong doing that.

dimensioni

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2796 posted 11:45 am on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

A PR0 doen't mean its not worth linking with. Some times a PR0 website is much better then a PR5 website when you consider the Quality and the relevancy to your site.

Also if you use the correct Anchor text while linking to a PR0 or whatever website related to the content, you will see the difference over a period of time.

hulahoop

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2796 posted 12:54 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

But does that mean you are giving away some of your rank...or whatever it is called? Isn't that why some people refuse to give a link to pages that are too low a PR as it averages out what is given and what is received?

I am learning about this from scratch and need all the help to understand.

Gary_Numan

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2796 posted 11:20 am on Nov 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Although I am also fairly new to this topic, I decided to link only to and from pages with relevancy to my content. I don't care if it is a PR6 or a PR0, because I feel that it is more important where my site will be listed in 5 years, than where my google tool bar is today.

Just my opinion,

Gary

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