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Is it Ethically Wrong to Put Links to One's Site from Wikipedia?
Gargen




msg:424398
 5:04 am on Aug 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ok Ive put links to my site on several wikipedia pages realting to my site (on top of course) but is there anything wrong with doing this, should i feel bad about it?

 

victor




msg:424399
 7:11 am on Aug 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

If your site is commercial, then you may have broken Wikipedia's guidelines -- in which case the links will very quickly be removed. So'll have wasted your time and the time perhaps several Wikipedia contributers.

But before removing your links, there may be a discussion on Wikipedia about whether you should be banned as a spammer. If so, there is a chance that those pages will later come up as Number 1 in any search for your site. If that's want you want, feel good.

If you haven't read the guidelines then your behavior may or may not be unethical. But is it certainly unguided, and may have unforeseen (by you) consequences.

martinibuster




msg:424400
 7:22 am on Aug 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>> If so, there is a chance that those pages will later come up as Number 1 in any search for your site.

That's interesting. I have seen discussions ranking, but never outranking any particular website. Could happen, I imagine- it's not outside the realm of possibilities.

As far as getting banned, they can ban you by IP from Wikipedia, but all you have to do is turn your DSL modem on and off and grab a new IP.

cellularnews




msg:424401
 8:27 am on Aug 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

But before removing your links, there may be a discussion on Wikipedia about whether you should be banned as a spammer. If so, there is a chance that those pages will later come up as Number 1 in any search for your site. If that's want you want, feel good.

Quickly runs off to Wiki and spams it with loads of links to competitor sites ;)

oddsod




msg:424402
 8:50 am on Aug 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> should i feel bad about it?

You tell us... do you?

sugarrae




msg:424403
 4:51 pm on Aug 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>> I have seen discussions ranking, but never outranking any particular website

Wiki is doing *very* well in Yahoo these days.

biggerfish




msg:424404
 5:51 pm on Aug 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

Gargen, here's Wiki's postion on link spamming:

[en.wikipedia.org...]

The Contractor




msg:424405
 6:00 pm on Aug 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

If your site is commercial, then you may have broken Wikipedia's guidelines

Hmm...can't say I've been around there too much, but I can say I have seen many links to commercial sites in certain industries.

rkhare




msg:424406
 6:08 pm on Aug 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

discusion here is encouraging me to try the samething on wiki

Gargen




msg:424407
 8:58 pm on Aug 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

My site is not commercial and as of three days ago it is completly ad free, my site is just info, and a forum to discuss stuff related to that info,but i didnt spam i just put them where they belong im just wondering if putting link to my site as aposed to someone else who is unbiased putting them there

Ossifer




msg:424408
 7:07 am on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Someone added my site to Wikipedia, but it's not commercial. Seesms to have helped me...

jovato




msg:424409
 4:49 pm on Sep 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Look, if your site is on topic with the article then you are all set. Why involve ethics? I mean, you have to ask yourself what the end goal is, and how to best obtain it. I see nothing wrong with putting links into articles. I would create a user there first, but other than that, forget about it.

graywolf




msg:424410
 2:48 am on Oct 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I read this quote just the other day from freakonomics, that seems relevant.

Ethics represent the way people want the world to work, Economics represnt the way it actually does work

If you really have a hang-up then add some other sites as well, it also goes a long way towards making your links "blend in with the crowd"

grace05




msg:424411
 1:03 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi,

Newby here. Observation on the discussion from a frequent Wiki user:

Does your entry add value? Does it inform? Or is it an ad that basically just promotes a point of view?

My position is that if the Wiki entry is generally informative and the links lead me to more information that I might not have otherwise found, then this is a good thing.

--g

Rosalind




msg:424412
 1:37 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

It's a Wikipedia, not a directory. So even on-topic non-commercial links may be out of place.

Eltiti




msg:424413
 2:06 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Wikipedia regularly removes links to sites that contain nothing but high-quality information --they prefer to offer the information themselves, rather than link to outside sources.

alphacooler




msg:424414
 2:34 pm on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I was under the impression that Wiki links were given a nofollow and therefore do not count.

Anyone on this?

oddsod




msg:424415
 2:37 pm on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

The way I recall it is that they changed their minds on the nofollow.

What bums me out is that when I do a Xenu on my site all my links to wikipedia always show up as faulty. But that's another topic for another day.

dauction




msg:424416
 2:45 pm on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

wiki has replaced dmoz as the choice for listing.

Wiki you can add you own external links ..if everyone feels like it's crap then it will be removed .. about as transparent as it can be.

everyone can join and write articles and add links ...and everyone else more or less determines it's value.

You can discuss openly with other editors and submitters. It goes far beyond being just a closed liting service like DMOZ.(which despite the DMOZ ediors objections ..we all know what the truth is)

fourchette




msg:424417
 3:45 pm on Oct 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Ethics represent the way people want the world to work, Economics represnt the way it actually does work"

That is so wrong. I mean what's your price for killing your own family?

You won,t kill them? Then ethics as it's place at the side of economy.

fourchette

walkman




msg:424418
 3:55 pm on Oct 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

don;t they use rel=nofollow anyway?

martinibuster




msg:424419
 5:24 pm on Oct 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

No, they stopped using the nofollow days or weeks after they implemented it.

I remember thinking, "Nya ha ha ha" while webmasters were grumbling about the nofollow- because I knew it had been removed.

Guess not everybody knows yet. Nya ha ha ha!

beren




msg:424420
 5:54 pm on Oct 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Whenever I see an external link to a site that runs Google AdSense ads, I delete it from Wikipedia.

vincevincevince




msg:424421
 9:35 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

I believe that some particuarly large corps have been engaged in this. Big big names, magically appearing at the end of articles on vaguely related subjects. I can see it all ending in tears and wikipedia having to block all outgoing links before the end.

victor




msg:424422
 10:51 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google, for example, would have to be braindead not to be using Wikipedia as one of its spam tests. Consider:

It spiders a wikipedia page three times in a week. On the middle spidering, it finds a link which is not there on the other two. And that link was:
(a) added by a non-regular contributor; and
(b) removed by a regular.

Statistically speaking, Google should nudge some of its relevancy counters upwards: was the link on topic? Probably not. Was it a spam linkdrop? Probably.

I don't know if Google does that but Wikipedia is such an obvious place to look for spam in that way, that I hope they soon do.

cellularnews




msg:424423
 12:45 pm on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Wikipedia regularly removes links to sites that contain nothing but high-quality information --

Feels good as I have three links to my site on Wiki, none of which I personally added :)

Whenever I see an external link to a site that runs Google AdSense ads, I delete it from Wikipedia.

May I ask why?

appi2




msg:424424
 12:56 pm on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

I do the same. Poor content and Addsense. Your gone.
WHY?
because we could all just set up sites cover them with addsense and link from wiki.

TigerSBT




msg:424425
 11:27 am on Oct 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>> Statistically speaking, Google should nudge some of its relevancy counters upwards: was the link on topic? Probably not. Was it a spam linkdrop? Probably.

But then we come back to old Google guidelines which tells us that no one can harm your site. Competitors would find this a very easy way to maipulate your site's ranking.

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