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Links from student edu pages
Matrixster




msg:422015
 9:54 pm on Jul 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Assuming edu and gov sites rank higher....
Do links from student university pages to my site rank higher than a normal link?

 

willybfriendly




msg:422016
 10:01 pm on Jul 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

.edu links are nice, but don't "rank" differently than any other link. Some carry surprisingly high PR. If it is from a student's page it may not last beyond their program.

WBF

alphacooler




msg:422017
 5:24 am on Jul 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

This is a GREAT topic. I am a university student as well and asked the same thing a month or so ago. I didn't get much of a response.

We DO KNOW that .edu links are weighted very heavily with the engines.

BUT, in order to receive this benefit do the .edu links need good (or any PR)? Most student sites don't have any IBL's so how much could they really be worth?

willybfriendly




msg:422018
 5:44 am on Jul 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

PR is based solely on IBL's. Some student pages do in fact have IBL's from higher up the food chain, at least from what I have seen. From the Dept to the prof to the student, that kind of thing. Have also seen students linking to other students. In those cases there may be PR...even substantial PR. But, the page may go away at the end of the term.

WBF

alphacooler




msg:422019
 8:30 pm on Jul 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well our student pages are indeed permanent. I would imagine you mean the links from higher up the PR chain won't last long. This may indeed be true.

Howabout this...I have a good number of PR5 sites (all diff. c-class ips) and I will link to my personal school site (which is related in topic) and THEN link to desired sites from my school page. Still, I would like to know if anyone thinks links from my .edu will just transfer the normal PR or will they give some sort of additional boost? Obviously empirical evidence is all we can go on...anyone have any?

Eltiti




msg:422020
 9:24 pm on Jul 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Does the school *allow* students to use their pages for "commercial purposes"? If so, I'd say just go out and try it!

Eltiti




msg:422021
 9:26 pm on Jul 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

And BTW, this thread just gave me a thought: I must check if my old alma mater has some web space available for alumni... ;-)

Nuttakorn




msg:422022
 7:01 am on Jul 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

How much value of link which is appeared on Resource Page of .EDU Website? or Favourite Links of Student/ Faculty?, if you compare with normal website.

Robert Charlton




msg:422023
 7:09 pm on Jul 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

In some market areas I've come across student edu pages that are so similar in concept and style (bold Times Roman on white background), that I'm wondering whether the sameness is...

a) just a part of college culture that perpetuates itself, or...

b) whether someone once upon a time recruited a whole bunch of students to throw up these pages.

Here and there, some of the pages I see are extraordinarily good, but many are simply collections of links to the usual suspects. What's frustrating is that a lot of these pages are inactive... have been so perhaps for years... and that they seem to be helping the competition.

Red_Eagle




msg:422024
 10:12 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Do you think SEO firms are going to launch their own accredited universities just for the links from the .edu's? ;)

willybfriendly




msg:422025
 11:09 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

What's frustrating is that a lot of these pages are inactive... have been so perhaps for years... and that they seem to be helping the competition.

Unless you are the competition, in which case you would write, "What's great is that even those these pages have been inactive for years, and are therefore inaccessible to my competitors, they still contribute to MY rankings.";)

WBF

nakulgoyal




msg:422026
 4:32 am on Jul 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

it's interesting to see everything being manupulated. I am sure people have emailed students and paying them for links, and therefore this kind of dicussion has started up.

avi wilensky




msg:422027
 9:47 pm on Jul 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Paying a kid a few bucks to violate the policy of the university (and potential disciplinary action) is shameless and selfish.

alphacooler




msg:422028
 10:22 pm on Jul 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

violate the policy of the university?

What are you referencing? THESE are PERSONAL pages. I am allowed to put anything I want on this page.

Pedent




msg:422029
 8:38 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Some universities stipulate no commercial use of student webspace.

sugarrae




msg:422030
 2:40 am on Jul 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>Some universities stipulate no commercial use of student webspace

To be commercial, they would have to be making money or selling something. If they just happen to have an interest in x topic and they have a page on it and link to your site because your site has good information on that topic (commercial or not) that certainly is *not* commercial use of their webspace.

Robert Charlton




msg:422031
 5:34 am on Jul 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

To be commercial, they would have to be making money or selling something. If they just happen to have an interest in x topic and they have a page on it and link to your site because your site has good information on that topic (commercial or not) that certainly is *not* commercial use of their webspace.

I've seen so many of these pages that just happen to look pretty much the same that I'm wondering whether money did change hands.

avi wilensky




msg:422032
 5:49 pm on Jul 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

violate the policy of the university?

What are you referencing? THESE are PERSONAL pages. I am allowed to put anything I want on this page.

No siree...

A while back, I admit that buying and selling links on student pages might be a supplementary source of income for me. After some research, I've abandoned the idea. Here's why:

Whether it's web space or dorm space, you CANNOT conduct any commercial activities on any university owned property - without the consent of the university. This policy is "almost" universal amongst higher education institutions in the US. "Many" university stated policies will revoke the student's right to use the university webspace in the event of a violation.

And I agree with you completely: they are "personal" pages. But not "commercial" pages. Buying and selling links on a university's web space constitutes a commercial activity.

angiolo




msg:422033
 7:50 pm on Jul 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

> Buying and selling links on a university's web space constitutes a commercial activity.

Yes, if you can proof that!

Any student can write about his/her preferred hobbies or motorways or car or anything else in a natuaral way... You can not try an "intention"; you should proof that the link is a result of a bargain...

There are several student pages that link to commercial sites and the link are genuine links!

willybfriendly




msg:422034
 8:37 pm on Jul 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

if you can prove that

No, it would be a violation regardless of proof, since the act is the violation, not the discovery of it.

Don't they teach logic in University these days?

WBF

martinibuster




msg:422035
 9:14 pm on Jul 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

willybfriendly and angiolo, I think you're both right. ;)

sugarrae




msg:422036
 11:39 pm on Jul 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

You are both right - linking to a site for money is a violation, but unless they can prove money changed hands, they can't stone you for it. If the page is detailed on a topic, there is no reason to assume money changed hands.

Google doesn't pay college kids to link to them - and they are a "commercial" site. A kid who loves to widget is likely to link to the places that make his favorite widget case - only his bank account can prove if he took money for that link - and last I checked, colleges didn't have access to a student's bank statements.

The "white page, black text" is very much a "style" by those who are uber geeky and those who don't have much skill - it seems to be a "norm" college design. My sister's page was like that. I myself have personal sites like that. Many college personal pages also feature animated gifs and ugly backgrounds - I highly doubt it is a conspiracy.

Regardless, this assumes you are *buying* the link. I've landed links on many of these style pages and I've never paid for a single one. Believe it or not, there are some commercial sites out there who are linked to from these pages because they contain good information and not for money. ;)

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