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BoneHeadicus




msg:425331
 7:29 pm on Apr 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

  • Good reasons to use Zeus?
  • Good reasons not to use Zeus?
  • Better way to do recip links?
  •  

    mivox




    msg:425332
     7:55 pm on Apr 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

  • Good reasons to use Zeus?

    Automates part of the process of hunting down linking sites, and building a topical link directory. (You still have to carefully review the sites it finds though...)

  • Good reasons not to use Zeus?

    Default directory layout is incredibly ugly. Dont use it unless you're willing to tweak it's output template and put in your own header graphics, etc.

    It costs money... may be a deterrent to some.

  • Better way to do recip links?

    As long as you customize the emails Zeus sends, and tinker the *heck* out of the directory output, I just see it as a handy shortcut. It hunts down relevant sites to link to, and you just sort through those, rather than having to hunt through all the search engines your self.

  • rcjordan




    msg:425333
     8:50 pm on Apr 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

    Can you direct Zeus to spider a specific list of domains?

    mivox




    msg:425334
     9:07 pm on Apr 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

    Heck if I know... I've done a lot of reading up on the program, but never actually used it. I've seen quite a few sites that are using it, without good template modification, etc., etc...

    If and when I ever get my rear in gear and start my web business, I do plan on giving Zeus a try... I'm lazy, so anything that saves me time is worth my money! ;)

    DaveAtIFG




    msg:425335
     11:13 pm on Apr 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

    >Better way to do recip links?

    How 'bout another way, not necessarily better, I haven't tried Zeus. Check out LinkTopics [linktopics.com], there's been some controversy about how some engines may react but recent testing has convinced me that it is accepted at ALL of the majors.

    rcjordan




    msg:425336
     11:32 pm on Apr 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

    >Better way to do recip links?

    A year or so ago, at what might have been the peak of the 'build-your-own-directory' (and they will surely flock to it) craze I would get what I took to be Zeus-generated recip requests. I trashed 100% of them.

    BoneHeadicus




    msg:425337
     11:51 pm on Apr 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

    I got the bad boy unleashed on the net now...seems to eat voraciously. If I make 10 contacts a week for my 20 minute setup I will be happy. Just turn it on and let er rip.

    I remember reading somewhere that you must create a unique presentation in your email contact. As much copywriting as I am doing right now I certainly will be able to accomplish this too.

    BoneHeadicus




    msg:425338
     11:53 pm on Apr 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

    As for tweaking the links page.....well what else is new. I haven't seen a programmer yet that could also build a pretty web site :)

    rcjordan




    msg:425339
     12:00 am on Apr 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

    BH, is Zeus harvesting email contacts from the site (or whois) as well, or are you researching that on your own?

    <added>
    >haven't seen a programmer yet that could also build a pretty web site
    True, and I've been programming something-or-other since 1973.

    DaveAtIFG




    msg:425340
     12:13 am on Apr 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

    >I would get what I took to be Zeus-generated recip requests. I trashed 100% of them.

    99.9% get trashed here. I responded to two. After spending several hours and emails "negotiating" with the other sites over where the links were placed and how they were displayed, I became convinced that it was a COMPLETE waste of time.

    mivox




    msg:425341
     12:20 am on Apr 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

    I generally do *not* give links back to ugly or otherwise unprofessional websites, period... but I do look at almost all sites requesting a recip. link.

    That is my problem with almost all Zeus sites... they seem to go by one of two hideous default layouts, and one that requested a link from us hadn't even put in their own header graphics, so the top of every page still had all the Zeus info in it... bleaugh. Also, most Zeus sites seem to have about 50 categories, with only one, two or ZERO links in each category.

    I'd say limit your directory to 10 or so cats, add at least 10 links to each category before you ask for reciprocal anything from anyone, and make sure the site *looks* halfway decent. That should go a long way towards increasing your link request 'approval rating'...

    BoneHeadicus




    msg:425342
     12:21 am on Apr 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

    rc, I completely understand the email harvesting problem. Anyone coming to my sites will get: nospam@spamcop.net.

    I have hopes that this here Zeus thing will dig up some leads for me to persue.....follow me?

    rcjordan




    msg:425343
     12:56 am on Apr 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

    (10-4 on the leads you're tracking... Florida should yield a BIG list using Zeus)

    As for the harvesting, I was wondering how you're planning to make the initial contact. Does Zeus also find email addresses on possible recip candidates for you, or are you going to the sites and doing a review?

    mivox




    msg:425344
     1:03 am on Apr 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

    From what I gather, Zeus generates a database of 'related sites' for you to review, and includes things like meta tag info and email addys for each site it 'collects'...

    Am I correct in my assumptions, BH?

    BoneHeadicus




    msg:425345
     1:08 am on Apr 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

    Definitely doing reviews. Probably snoop and find the email contact from NetSol and make a presentation type email that makes sense by explaining the power of linking.

    I just started to implement this strategy today but I been thinking on it fer a long time. I believe what I've heard that Zeus is good at dredging up theme sites and that the automation I desire. The rest is schmooze.

    Haven't seen the hideous link page yet but I take your word for it mivox. Ain't no biggie though its just standard operating procedure to twist and bend things around to my liking. Thats why I like Perl and PHP so much.

    Anything that I do with this is better than what I'm doing now.

    Woz




    msg:425346
     1:47 am on Apr 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

    Lets make sure that we don't condemn Zeus for the email problem as that lies soley on the backs of the user/operator. In fact there have been recent changes to the way Zeus handles email and a complete tutorial at the Zeus site to try and rectify this problem.

    It seems that most of the faults listed in this thread are the result of operator error or incompetance, not the program itself.

    Having said that, Zeus is not for all situations. One "feature" of Zeus is that it looks for thematically related SITES, not pages or subsites or sections of a site. This in itself can present problems. Both of the directories I am building at the moment (profile...) are horizontally related not vertically, and in most cases I am listing one page only in the applicable directory.

    So in these cases Zeus is not for me. This could be the same for you BH. There may be lots of sites that contain a section related to your search, Zeus won't list it as the section will get lost in the target site's overall theme.

    Folllow?

    I have often pondered about doing a comparison of recip-link finding programs; give me a day or two.

    Onya
    Woz

    mivox




    msg:425347
     1:50 am on Apr 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

    I have often pondered about doing a comparison of recip-link finding programs; give me a day or two.

    Oooh... I'd LOVE to see it! ::drool::

    BoneHeadicus




    msg:425348
     1:58 am on Apr 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

    >>>I have often pondered about doing a comparison of recip-link finding programs; give me a day or two

    May the force be with you Grasshopper.

    Gotcha on the relevance of site vs. page or subdomain. However the sheer number of sites out there will certainly overcome this situation, yes?

    Woz




    msg:425349
     2:18 am on Apr 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

    >However the sheer number of sites out there will certainly overcome this situation, yes?

    Yes and No. One of my directories lists Glossaries. There is no site I am aware of that consists solely 100s of glossaries as these are best put together bu "experts" in the applicable field. So all of my listings are to a specific page within lots of sites. Zeus would be useless in this case.

    Also, some of the best and most authoratative parts of the web on almost any subject you may pick are only subsections of a complete site. This is one thing that worries me about this theming road the engines are going down but that is another story. In your case, lets say you are researching "blue widgets". There may be many pages about blue widgets out there that would be good for you to exchange links with, but as blue widgets is not the major theme of the sites that contain those pages, Zeus will ignore them.

    Even a site about widgets in general may be ignored, depending on your kjeyword setup, as blue widgets will be lost in the wash. It's like keyword density all over again.

    The question is one of quality not quantity, and you may miss some quality links because of this problem.

    But then I am getting ahead of myself and starting the comparison already.

    Onya
    Woz

    chiyo




    msg:425350
     4:51 am on Apr 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

    Interesting discussion. We tried Aeus a while back and agree with the commentys on default drectory layout. It is just not viable for a professional site to use the free version and the price for the real version is quite high.

    Add to that Zeus requires you really to have 24 hour internet access so it can scooter overnight and all week etc etc. Not feasible again for us on dial up.

    Having said that we found once a small, decently priced program, just a simple robot that followed links and caught titles and metatags and emails in a text database. It was around 20 US$ and you could trial it for free minus a few features. Thats the sort of thing I think we need, and develop the actual directory ourself. For requesting recip links, we can do that manually after reviewing the sites.

    Does anybody perchance know the URL for that or a similar program (we lost the link details in one of our regulalr laptop disk crashes!)?

    BoneHeadicus




    msg:425351
     4:40 pm on Apr 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

    Not even 24 hrs. and I've got 175 themed sites in the database. Will they link back to me? Dunno but I didn't work too hard to dig these things up and most of them are right on target. At the very least I should have a good list to link to.

    BoneHeadicus




    msg:425352
     10:27 pm on Apr 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

    I just got done tweaking the header and footer files....piece of cake. It's got limitations but it certainly will do.

    Overall so far I am reasonably impressed. I'm thinking maybe I'll convert that ole eMachine sittin over there into a search engine spider. I'm on cable so it can run and run and run.

    Two Thumbs Up :)

    rcjordan




    msg:425353
     5:17 am on May 4, 2001 (gmt 0)

    >Does anybody perchance know the URL for that or a similar program

    Chiyo, I just ran across this one,
    [trellian.com...]

    Crawls, $25, free trial (or so it says on one page), the rest is sketchy. Trellian's been around awhile though.

    chiyo




    msg:425354
     6:44 am on May 4, 2001 (gmt 0)

    thanks RC

    asuprun




    msg:425355
     1:19 pm on May 23, 2001 (gmt 0)

    Try linkcrafter software... it's much better than all the above anf completely free (strange things sometimes happen :-)

    Marcia




    msg:425356
     1:33 pm on May 23, 2001 (gmt 0)

    Nobody was asked about adding the Zeus links, they've just added them. I don't know whether they'll do harm; they look like link farm pages, and I really don't appreciate these.

    A few of my sites are getting bombarded with Zeus, and they will *not* remove the links, even though I've written. I just need to prevent them.

    How can Zeus be blocked altogether?

    toolman




    msg:425357
     3:54 pm on May 23, 2001 (gmt 0)

    I don't know how to block Zeus but the links it creates are from your title and meta description tags so they really shouldn't be off topic at all.

    What the page looks like however might be a different story...beauty is in the eye of the beholder?

    Black Knight




    msg:425358
     4:16 pm on May 23, 2001 (gmt 0)

    Marcia, I believe David Notestine (the author and owner of Zeus) was making Zeus obey the robots.txt protocol (with its own user-agent). If you contact him I'm sure he'll reply swiftly to let you know whether that feature was added or not.

    WebGuerrilla




    msg:425359
     4:36 pm on May 23, 2001 (gmt 0)

    >>Does anybody perchance know the URL for that or a similar program

    This [innerprise.net] might be the one you are looking for.

    rogerd




    msg:425360
     6:33 pm on Jun 12, 2001 (gmt 0)

    Blocking Zeus: A while back, I inquired about blocking Zeus when, despite a robots.txt exclusion, somebody's Zeus ran rampant through a site I own. My main concern is somebody harvesting my own Zeus directories, which represent a lot of man hours of work.

    The reply: According to the author, all new versions of Zeus obey the robots.txt instructions. Unfortunately, some very old versions were not set up to do this. A few of these may still be in use, since the program remains functional (although lacking in features) indefinitely. If we are seeing a widespread problem with this, perhaps we could ask the developer to force an upgrade. I think the software keeps checking back for an authorization, which could eventually be denied. Lately, I haven't run across any Zeus abuse, at least from a robots.txt standpoint.

    Most of the Zeus problems I have encountered are from total idiots who launch the robot, don't customize their directory, create stupid categories, and then send spam-like e-mails with no customization or personalization. The last one of these I got told me my link was up and asked for a reciprocal. I went to the URL to check, and (big surprise) the directory hadn't been updated and no link existed. I sent an e-mail to the sender, but never received a reply. A week later, still no link. Zeus would be perfect if only it administered an IQ test prior to allowing a user to operate it...

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