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2_much




msg:425872
 1:26 am on Feb 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

We've all been hearing about the importance of links for quite some time now. We all know that we have to increase our link popularity by having a large quantity of quality links, creating links pages, etc.
This brings a few thougths to mind.
Can we start considering the concept of "Link Marketing" an essential, important aspect of our internet marketing efforts? Do you consider this an important aspect of your marketing efforts? How much time do you spend of link marketing as opposed to optimizing, creating content, enhancing usability, etc?
I can see this being somewhat easy for people who have/manage a few websites. For SEO's it's a bit more complicated. We can't give individual websites that much attention because we have many sites to worry about, sometimes with unrelated themes and keywords.
So I was wondering how you approach this.
My other issue was, how do we accomodate for a large number of outgoing links?
Google is cracking down on any kind of "hidden link" use and other ways of artifically inflating link popularity. Soon, I'm guessing that other engines will start doing the same. So, what are good, efficient methods of improving your link popularity while keeping the engines happy?
Something that comes to mind is that it would be good to create a "directory" site for a given theme and submit it to the directories. That way the domain itself will have some weight.
Another question is, is link popularity page dependent or site dependent? Links pages are definitely good, but how effective are they? It's much harder to get a tour page listed than an index page, so if you have links pages sometimes they don't get included in the database.
Does anyone know of a good method of including many links to an index page?
Just a few thoughts on this subject. Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks!
2Much

 

Drastic




msg:425873
 6:55 pm on Feb 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hi 2_much. Interesting topic, I have been thinking about this myself lately.

I have spent a small amount of time on reciprocal links, mainly for link popularity. The problem is, the linking pages are a long list, rarely generating referrals. The main (really only) benefit is link pop.

I have a couple simple ideas. On most sites which are SEO'd, each page of a site is usually targetted to one idea, one mission. At the bottom of the page, you can link to partnering sites which have a page/site on the same topic. If the visitor didn't get what they want at your site, you are offering options which are of value to them. In return, the linked site would optimally do the same for you. You could also list these links as an additional part of your navbar, on the individual pages.

To tie this into website advertising, you can use paid links mixed in with your partnering links.

The problem with doing this type of thing is time. It takes time to find partners, and to ensure they follow up with their end of the deal. You could make a "partner with us" page, that would explain the situation in detail. If you are listed well, your competition will probably find you and check you out. This page would open the door for partnering, without having to find them.

Other than that, the only thing I know of, is the time-consuming leg-work of finding them yourself. You could spend a minimal amount of time, only attempting to partner with a few high-traffic sites.

Then, use your logs for making sure you are still getting the referrals, just as you check your SE referrals.

2_much




msg:425874
 8:09 pm on Feb 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hi Drastic, thanks for your reply. Great points.

"The main (really only) benefit is link pop." YES!

For me, the only benefit of requesting reciprocal links is link popularity. Considering the importance of link popularity, it is something that I am devoting a lot of time to. So what I meant by link marketing was not promoting the sites by placing links on relevant sites to generate traffic, but to improve on link popularity.

My main issue is that ranking index pages is my main target and where I focus my optimization efforts. Thus, I'd want to have all of the incoming/outgoing links on the index page. Before I was using a form of hidden links, but I am now cautious about doing this because I got many sites dropped from Google and haven't been able to get them reindexed.

So, where to place the links? I don't want to provide a visible set of related links at the bottom of the index because I want to keep visitors at my sites. Also, I like to use at least 30 relevant outgoing links per index page.

"You could make a "partner with us" page, " YES!

I am doing this, and keeping it hidden from viewers on the other pages of the site. Thus my question, is link popularity site dependent or page dependent? If I have a site, IndexA, and I create a links page, IndexApage1. This serves to get sites spidered. In terms of ranking, thi sis another issue. It is harder to rank tour pages than index pages. So maybe (due to link pop) I would get that links page well ranked but not the index, which contains all of the content, marketing promos, etc.

What I am now doing is including button menus on that links page to other pages within the site. However, engines give many more ranking points to index pages, so this strategy is a bit more difficult.

Any thoughts on this? Is link popularity site dependent or page dependent? Any ideas of where to place links on index page so that it's not considered spam?

Thanks!
2Much

rogerd




msg:425875
 4:33 pm on Feb 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

2much, my experience is that the link pop benefits accrue to the site, although if you have a page about aardvarks and a bunch of inbound text links to that page reading "aardvarks for sale", that page will probably get a boost, too.

Overall, link pop campaigns can be very time consuming. A tool like Zeus will help cut the time involved, particularly as the number of links you are managing goes up, but also demands a few compromises. For example, it will create a link directory that allows extensive customizaton, but if you want to integrate the links with your content pages you'll have to do that manually. The good news is that individual directory pages can become traffic attractors themselves.

I rather like the idea of incorporating outbound links on the relevant content pages from an SEO viewpoint, although they are a potential distraction when you want to keep users moving around your own site. Opening these links in a new window may help a bit, but the distraction factor is still there.

paynt




msg:425876
 11:10 pm on Mar 2, 2001 (gmt 0)

Every site I work on is split into themes. Each theme has it's own link page attached to that. I link all theme related pages within the site to each other with these pages and then use them to link in/out for link partners. The site as a whole grows stronger with the internal linking to support it.

Linking is now more than something we might consider doing to enrich our site. It's something we must do. Optimizing now requires I use my energies in different ways. Instead of throwing out new and improved marketing pages all the time and feeding the machine like a drug I feed links to very specific themed pages within my site and then tie all those pages to each other.

These pages just continue to grow individually and as a whole. Its pretty exciting stuff.

2_much




msg:425877
 4:36 am on Mar 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

That's a great strategy Paynt, sounds like a great approach, especially for larger sites. Have you seen your rankings improve with this strategy?

paynt




msg:425878
 12:32 pm on Mar 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

Yes 2 much, The site just gets stronger all the time. This strategey appears to work across the board. Rankings good.

The way I develop a site brings in tons of alternative traffic for variations of keywords. Plus, an amazing amount of vertical traffic from link partners that continues to surprise me.

Oh, and what you say about large sites is very true but it's great strategy for smaller sites because you are actually making them more viable, fuller of content and with more substance. My links though are always in keyword rich descriptive sentences. My link pages offer more than a set of links.

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