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Exchanging links the best way to waste time?
Does it work really?
silverbytes




msg:424357
 7:37 pm on Jan 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm really considering abort exchanging links at all.
My sites that doesn't exchange links have PR5 with no exchange links effort.
My sites that exchange links (a looooot of work) are PR4...

 

too much information




msg:424358
 7:49 pm on Jan 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

how many links do your PR5 sites show?

silverbytes




msg:424359
 5:49 pm on Jan 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

38 backlinks

jo1ene




msg:424360
 6:13 pm on Jan 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

There is always the quality issue. I have 200 some-odd links to one site but 190 of them are worth crap, hence I get a PR4. A client site has only one dmoz listing and a sister site link has a PR3. Another site I know of has about 50 HIGH quality links and is PR5.

I would say exchanging links with every on under the sun IS a COLOSSAL waste of time. I got myslef about 10 links this month following these rules:

1) Page has PR > 3
2) Page is on topic
3) Page and/or site is not banned
4) Page is not full of adds or other crap and no more
5) Page is not called links.html or similar
6) Page has less than 100 links

We'll see how I do next update. Notice I said "page" not site. You have to chck the quality of the pages themselves.

silverbytes




msg:424361
 6:57 pm on Jan 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

How did you get those 10? Sites of your own or other people linking to you without reciprocal?

jo1ene




msg:424362
 7:33 pm on Jan 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Other sites linking to me, a few exchanges and the rest not. Mostly from sites selling a similar but different service than myself, others in industry "resources".

chrisnrae




msg:424363
 3:20 pm on Jan 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>My sites that doesn't exchange links have PR5 with no exchange links effort. My sites that exchange links (a looooot of work) are PR4...

That doesn't mean anything. The important thing to look at is how the sites rank.

silverbytes




msg:424364
 9:57 pm on Jan 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm talking about PR, does mean something for me. Please if you want to comment, contribute to the thread. Thank you!

bignet




msg:424365
 10:55 pm on Jan 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

two sites; one into link exchange and the other not

Good technique!

chrisnrae




msg:424366
 11:48 pm on Jan 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>I'm talking about PR, does mean something for me

The toolbar PR of your site does not matter. If all you're worried about is the TBPR of the site and not ranking, then I'm curious as to why you would spend your time working on the sites at all.

Ranking is about anchor text. For anchor text, you need links. To get links you need to either create darn good content worthy of linking to that will be well publicized - or you need to write to other sites and request one way or recip links.

Your PR being 4, 5, 2 or 6 in the toolbar isn't going to help your ranks at the end of the day. It's the links, and the anchor text from those links that are going to boost your presence in the engines.

>>>Please if you want to comment, contribute to the thread

I did. But, if you wish to continue to chase TBPR for the sake of chasing it, by all means.

goodroi




msg:424367
 12:14 am on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm talking about PR, does mean something for me.

That really makes me laugh. I guess I am too accustomed dealing with people who want to get higher rankings which lead to more traffic and convert that traffic to make money. Unfortunately, PageRank does not guarantee high rankings or high traffic.

Ok so if all we care about is how our ego feels about the green bar of pagerank, then you can easily hijack pagerank (you can search for the many articles written on this). You can also apply to be a DMOZ editor and link your site. You can also buy a handful of high PR links. I will sell you a link from one of my PR8 sites for cheap, but I must be fair and warn you that this site receives less than 20 people a day. Or just buy a site that has a high PR but terrible rankings, trust me there are many and you can buy them very cheap. I admit it is a bit of work for an ego boost. I find getting higher rankings and more traffic and bigger checks gives me a better ego boost.

silverbytes




msg:424368
 2:23 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ok. Can you show me some examples of PR8 with bad SE ranking and 20 visits?
How much do you think I can get a site like that?
(I'm not interested in Hijacking PR)

So you think PR doesn't help your ranks right?

GranPops




msg:424369
 2:29 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

"So you think PR doesn't help your ranks right?"
There are many examples of PR1 beating the competition with good anchor.
You are in a webbie world with your site and only have 82 backlinks. Have not checked the anchors, but come on!
I have site with over 1000 good anchors since last PR update, and am waiting to see the result in SERPS not the self deluding green bar

chrisnrae




msg:424370
 5:17 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>So you think PR doesn't help your ranks right?

Nope. Never said that. I said I think that TBPR (toolbar PR) doesn't matter. And that striving to achieve a certain number TBPR is wasted focus.

I still believe Page Rank [webmasterworld.com] matters (though I also believe volume can make PR matter less), I just don't think that we are privy to a sites real PR anymore via the green bar. PR is simply a calculation of the value of a site's backlinks - backlinks are still extremely important and the mega factor in the engines. It's all about the links.

Whether your toolbar says your site is a 4, 2 or 6 doesn't matter. What matters is whether you're 1, 14 or 89 in the serps. The latter shows what Google *really* thinks of your site and/or PR.

goodroi




msg:424371
 5:41 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Can you show me some examples of PR8 with bad SE ranking and 20 visits? How much do you think I can get a site like that?
I'd be happy to. Just fill out the NDA form, set-up an escrow account and pay me an acconut creation fee. Sorry no free rides.

So you think PR doesn't help your ranks right?
Actually I believe I said does not "guarantee". Chrisnrae said it best when explaining the difference between TBPR, actual PR and SERPs.

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