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Does anyone receive useful link requests?
tired of automated spam
prairie

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Msg#: 1938 posted 4:05 pm on Oct 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

All we seem to get is template reciprocal rubbish, with some vacuous praise thrown in.

Invariably the e-mailer will offer placing our link on a buried page, along with many other haphazard links (even if "on theme", a page of 100 links is hardly useful for surfers, and very diluted in terms of PR).

I can't say I've seen any benefit from link exhange myself. Understandably, no one wants to give away an ounce of their traffic, or PR.

Does anyone receive creative link exchange requests?

 

martinibuster

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Msg#: 1938 posted 4:56 pm on Oct 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Does anyone receive useful link requests?

A link exchange request is never useful unless it's your own
Most people's first response to a link request is skepticism. Which is absolutely awful when it's the reaction to your own legitimate high quality useful link request (a child always appears beautiful to the parents).

tired of automated spam

Is manual spam any better?

Seriously, I'm weary of complaints about the quality of their link exchange requests. Part of that is based on fact, but the other part is based purely on a knee-jerk response to something that may not exist.

Of course, our own link requests are never spam (even when were sending out 20,000 requests). It's always the other guy.

Well guess what, we are the other guy, too. ;)

Reasons You Will Delete a Link Exchange Request Hands Down...
What makes you promptly delete an email?
[webmasterworld.com...]

Crush

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Msg#: 1938 posted 5:18 pm on Oct 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thank god for automated link requests! Everyone in my company forwards them to a special address and they are processed or deleted. Even better when they have good page rank.

prairie

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Msg#: 1938 posted 5:19 pm on Oct 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I delete any link exchange e-mails if the location of the link is congested, automatically placed, the site is not closely related, and if the person e-mailing proposes keeping their site and link location a secret before I reply.

They're also deleted if they arrive in sets.

What I'd prefer is to exchange unique documents. But who's interested? We've found the whole thing to be too impersonal and of negligible benefit.

stever

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Msg#: 1938 posted 5:41 pm on Oct 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes, the ones that offer to do something for me.

It's how my ones are sometimes phrased as well.

"By the way, if ever you need any information on Widgetland/widgetting / translation into widget-speak, let me know. I'd be happy to try and help you out."

And I mean it. And so do they.

sit2510

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Msg#: 1938 posted 8:02 am on Oct 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Does anyone receive useful link requests?

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It's the most boring task to click on the link location page and found that it is PR0; not only one time but several dozens a day.

The first tempatation is to delete, but I think it is wiser not delete unless they are duplicates. My practice is to put them in "sandbox" as raw data for future re-engineering purposes. After one or two PR updates, I examine their PR, weed out the non-performing link pages, extract and utilize the good ones. By that time, I already have their data such as their link text, description, persons to contact and the right e-mail addresses. I may not request back for the ones that they intended earlier, but for the new ones that I am working on the link campaign.

rj87uk

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Msg#: 1938 posted 10:11 am on Oct 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

I get maybe 10 or 20 or so link requests per day, i find that say 15 are spam, 3 not so much spam but rubbish anyway and maybe if im lucky get 1 hand wrote that Might turn out to be good.

The thing that gets me is why 'Other' webmaster exchange links with them and so they send more spam in the hope they wil get more links!

o well... life goes on!

prairie

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Msg#: 1938 posted 3:34 pm on Oct 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Does anyone believe that link exchanges with buried link lists do any good?

If this is about establishing relevance with a topic, Brett's 'linking out' idea seems more genuine, not to mention faster... but it could serve to harden up existing rankings.

rj87uk

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Msg#: 1938 posted 4:25 pm on Oct 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Brett's 'linking out' idea seems more genuine, not to mention faster
Do you have the link to this? I cant remember reading it?
prairie

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Msg#: 1938 posted 5:14 pm on Oct 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Its point G) in [searchengineworld.com...] but has been mentioned here and there in these forums.

martinibuster

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Msg#: 1938 posted 5:52 pm on Oct 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Outbound Links:
From every page, link to one or two high ranking sites under that particular keyword. Use your keyword in the link text (this is ultra important for the future)

Just want to make sure this is clear to everybody:
Linking out to authority sites doesn't take the place of inbound links. All things taken together add up to more. Like taking vitamins: Getting jacked up on vitamin E doesn't mean you'll need less vitamin D.

buckworks

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Msg#: 1938 posted 6:11 pm on Oct 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

I get useful link requests to one niche site. I've blocked all the common link exchange spiders that I know about (I'll be doing more of that!), so most link requests come from people who found the site in their own research, not by finding it with a spider. The links pages are PR5 and tightly themed, so they rank well for a variety of searches.

I've noticed a real difference in attitude between people who find the site themselves, compared to those who just find it with a spider. Those who use spiders and send out typical link request boilerplate often get snotty when I point out the instructions on my link exchange page. The people who find it themselves know how well it ranks for a search they're interested in, so they generally make a good effort to follow my instructions and keep me happy. I rarely end up trading links with the spider crowd; I always trade links with the intelligent individual requests.

buckworks

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Msg#: 1938 posted 6:12 pm on Oct 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Getting jacked up on vitamin E doesn't mean you'll need less vitamin D.

Martinibuster, that's a great analogy! :-)

GranPops

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Msg#: 1938 posted 11:53 pm on Oct 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

The secret of getting links is to only mail sites that don't have a webmaster, who, judging by their comments on forums, might have an opinion on how you ask.

Business people don't appear to have such difficulties.
LOL

sean

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Msg#: 1938 posted 12:12 am on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Understandably, no one wants to give away an ounce of their traffic, or PR.

Hey, I'll trade you the green widget buyers from my blue widgets site, in exchange for the blue widget buyers from your green widgets site. Deal?

useful link requests?

Lately, the best ones have been extremely concise, with more emphasis on establishing credibility before getting into detailed link instructions.

hdpt00



 
Msg#: 1938 posted 12:51 am on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

I send out hardcore spam link requests and get great responses. People want inbound links and I give them out.

Kirby

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Msg#: 1938 posted 8:53 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

I believe that the link requests people receive from me are deemed useful. The pages I offer a link from all have PR4 or better, and all rank page 1 for the topic/title of the page.

I solicit links from sites that would want to be found in Google on page one for those terms, which, btw, are closely related to the overall theme of my site. I get an 80% response rate saying "Yes, thank you very much." The other 20% never respond, probably deleting the email without reading past the subject line.

If you want something of benefit, offer something of equal or greater value. From me they get targeted free traffic with PR just being the icing on the cake.

aleatrix

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Msg#: 1938 posted 2:47 pm on Oct 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

I hope this isn't a new thread. We are a commercial site with pretty good SERP placement on several relevant search phrases. However we're in a highly competitive business.

For that reason, we don't accept links from direct competitors, (policy stated on our links pages), but we do accept links from related sites that are not direct competitors.

We now have tons of reciprocal links, but I'm not sure they're of any value. Several times I've searched the internet for what "I" would consider good links partners and haven't found anyone.

A few of our earliest links partners are giving us about 10 to 30 clickthroughs a month. Should I consider these worthwhile links? Are the clickthroughs just other sites looking for links partners or are they people who want to look at our products?

I think linking is easier for non-commercial sites. Am I wrong?

victor

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Msg#: 1938 posted 10:57 am on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Does anyone receive useful link requests?

You only need to glance at the responses from webmasters to a declined request for a link to the Open Directory project to realise just how useless so many link requests are.

The requests come like spam from a howitzer with absolutely zero comprehension of how the link, if granted, adds value to the site providing the link.

If other website operators get 1% of the grief the ODP does, then requesting a link should be made a criminal offense.....After all it is a form of UCE in that it is:

  • unsolicited (unless the site has,as the OPD does, a specific notice saying that link requests are accepted); and
  • commercial -- most link requests are from people running websites to make money.
  • zeus

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    Msg#: 1938 posted 5:08 pm on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

    every 3 days I get a request for link exchange from a site that only have links on it with short description and always on different keywords, like dogs, books ... many links on the left side and many in the midle of the page with description.

    aleatrix

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    Msg#: 1938 posted 6:23 pm on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

    Victor,

    What I'm reading here is depressing. Most of the link requests we get--if these places were stores in a mall, I wouldn't stop to look in the windows. If everyone is getting this kind of link request, why are the search engines still using them as part of the measurement of a site's value?

    victor

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    Msg#: 1938 posted 7:32 pm on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

    Good question aletrix.

    I guess it is because they still value links granted -- which is quite different to links requested, which a search engine would never see.

    The SEs attempt to discount links granted for the benefit of the websites from links granted for the benefit of the searcher.

    How well they distinguish the two indicates how successful they are as search engines.

    ken_b

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    Msg#: 1938 posted 8:04 pm on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

    Most of the link requests we get--if these places were stores in a mall, I wouldn't stop to look in the windows.

    LOL.... do I know that feeling!

    I look at every site that asks for a link from me. Geeze, it can be down right depressing!

    OK, I get very few link requests, which is fine with me. I don't know why, or much care at this point. Maybe they think my site is crap :) Even so, I decline a lot of the ones I do get.

    Pop-up, pop-unders, home page links to a bunch of sites in completely unrelated categories, pages that take 2 minutes to load, duplicate sites, blah, blah, blah.... the list goes on.

    I don't care how others choose to run their websites.

    I do care who I link to.

    Rosalind

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    Msg#: 1938 posted 8:59 pm on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

    Has the general quality of link requests gone down? I used to make these requests, but abandoned that in favour of spending more time improving my sites. If every other site worth exchanging links with is doing the same that would explain why getting worthwhile link exchange emails is a rarity.

    In practice I'm still linking out at about the same rate as before, just talking about it less through email. It's mostly redundant.

    aleatrix

    10+ Year Member



     
    Msg#: 1938 posted 9:45 pm on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

    Thanks, Victor,

    I think I understand about search engines and links now. Actually, I've never asked anyone for a link, but knowing all this, I'd be rather hesitant.

    rj87uk

    WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



     
    Msg#: 1938 posted 12:13 pm on Nov 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

    Well,

    I think the problem is the link software that send out 1000000's of unwanted requests!

    If you couldnt automate the process then people would do it by hand and then they would have to read the website they email, even if it is still just a copy n paste Email at least it will be on topic...

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