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100 Sites - how do i interlink them?
Whats the best way for this new network?
netnerd




msg:423919
 7:51 pm on Oct 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

A client of mine has recently approached me with 100 sites on a related theme, with 10 pages of unique content in each.

Looking at the terms,i think that each site will need about 25 inbound links.

As well as linking some existing sites to each of these 100 (though not in large groups), what would be the best way to interlink the sites so as to increase their position in the SERPS as well as avoiding penalties?

Also - should i interlink them at once or over days,weeks or months to avoid "sandboxing"?

I can spread them across 10 C Classes.

All theories welcome!

 

Crush




msg:423920
 6:52 am on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

If it is all related why did he buy 100 domains? I would put it all on one domian and use internal anchor to achieve what you want. I would also make 100 links pages and get inbounds to the particular content page. If you cross link 100 domains you are going to get caught with your pants down.

sem4u




msg:423921
 7:49 am on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

I agree Crush. It looks like mass site suicide to me :o

<edit - not sure about the 100 links pages though (!)>

netnerd




msg:423922
 9:07 am on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Crush

Wouldnt the links be more valueable coming from other sites? The whois records, nameservers and ips are different after all...

neuron




msg:423923
 11:39 am on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

The heaviest cross-linking you could do would probably be about 20%. That is, if to any one sites you had 80 links from different domains, then you could probably throw in 20 more links from your own domains, again, a single incoming link per domain. This is for long-term survival.

And you don't want to use the same 80 foreign domains to link to each of your 100 sites, you need to mix that up as well.

Creating heavily cross-linked networks of sites is playing with disaster.

netnerd




msg:423924
 11:50 am on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

neuron

Im thinking of linking them in a manner that no 2 sites ever share exactly the same incoming links.

Site 1 would link to sites 2-21
Site 2 would link to sites 3-22

So, each site gets 20 links

Would this cause a penalty do you think?

Crush




msg:423925
 12:14 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Crush
Wouldnt the links be more valueable coming from other sites? The whois records, nameservers and ips are different after all...

NO. You will get far more value from internal anchor providing you also get inbounds.

netnerd




msg:423926
 12:41 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Crush

Ok - lets say i have 1000 pages of content. Whats the optimal number of sites to put this on - just one site?

Artstart




msg:423927
 2:19 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

This can be done.

There is one person I know who has 20 almost identical sites, sellign the same stuff. He interlinked them and they've been up for more than a year.

They all have different IPs and target different sets of keywords. All of them have links pages with unique link exchanges and exchanges among them.

netnerd




msg:423928
 3:02 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Haha

Well kind of :P Im just interested to find a network like this. Perhaps you could tell me what link pattern he uses then?

Artstart




msg:423929
 3:15 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Lets say we have 4 sites:

1 links to 2 and 3
2 links to 3 and 4
3 links to 1 and 4
4 links to 1 and 2

All links have different anchor text. And sites different incoming links from out of network sites.

Forgot to add - there are two information sites ont he subject that are considered authority that have links to all of his sites and some competitor sites as well.

ogletree




msg:423930
 3:33 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

If they are all new sites and don't have any PR don't Just combine them. Interlinking will not help you at all.

netnerd




msg:423931
 4:11 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

ogletree

i would put incominglinks from different sites into each of them too to get the pr going

Artstart




msg:423932
 4:26 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>netnerd

if I was you, I would first have my sites' incoming links recognized by spiders and then interlink

netnerd




msg:423933
 4:37 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

any particular reason mate?

ogletree




msg:423934
 5:00 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

For starters PR has nothing to do with interlinking sites. It will not help you in any way. The only value will be the anchor text and you can do that with just one site. Trust me you are just spinning your wheels. I have had access to many sites and have tried this in the past and it really has no value. Also if you do something on one site that G does not like they will ban the whole lot. No professional would do what you are suggesting.

netnerd




msg:423935
 5:24 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

ok ogletree

If i am actually 10 people and each of me has 10 sites, then should we not link to each other?

Thats bascially what you are saying. There is no point in sites linking to one another?

These sites will have different whois records, nameservers, hosting, so how could having some of them link to some others do any harm?

Isnt that what google likes and how it functions?

ogletree




msg:423936
 5:34 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Cross linking does not help. The only way having that many sites can help is to pick one site and have all the other ones point to you. That only helps if each site has their own independent PR outside the other 99 sites. You never want more than one site unless you can get independent PR for each additional one. This is only in context of SEO. There are other reasons to have a lot of sites outside of SEO. What you are talking about is very amature.

PatrickDeese




msg:423937
 5:42 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

10 pages per site is pretty thin, contentwise.

You will probably get a lot more juice by having 1000 pages on one site than one hundred 10-page sites.

Also keep in mind that the search engines skew their preferences from time to time. Sometimes the megasites are on top, and sometimes the microsites are it.

Personally, I think you have your strategy reversed - rather than having 100 sites trying to stuff one keyword niche, I think you'd be better off having an "authoritative hub" (ie megasite/directory) that links to offsite resources (your own site network as well as other sites that have on-target quality content).

something like this:

Widgets.com
- polishing widgets
--- polish-widgets.net (yours)
--- site.gov/widget-polish-law.html
--- site.edu/widget-polishing-department/polish.html

- buffing widgets
--- buffing-widgets.com (yours)
--- widget-buffing.com (competitor)
--- county-government.state.us/county-buffing-ordinance/

You do that with your site with 100 indepth categories and fleshed out content, you will be getting links in no-time flat and tons of referrals for all kinds of terms as your hub gains "authority" status.

netnerd




msg:423938
 5:54 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

ogletree

I have had lots of success with 5/10 page sites in the past and have had to go and gather lnks for them from other sites.

This is why i am considering this "amateurish" approach as you call it.

I have enough sites to give each of them individual PR.

I can tell you that for big terms its easier to rank highly with a top level domain than with a sub page. Now subdomains might be a different matter...

buckworks




msg:423939
 6:42 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

If i am actually 10 people and each of me has 10 sites

The pivotal issue isn't who owns which sites (or appears to), it's that you need to get past the "closed network of links" web footprint. You need to build a web presence which can't just be dismissed as membership in a mutual admiration society.

Forgot to add - there are two information sites ont he subject that are considered authority that have links to all of his sites

Bingo.

Artstart




msg:423940
 7:22 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

PatrickDeese wrote:

You will probably get a lot more juice by having 1000 pages on one site than one hundred 10-page sites.

I'll have to argue that. If you target a specific set of keywords with each site, you will get better rankings with index.html (php,asp,whatever) than with an interior page if two had the same amount of links comming in and if two were optimised.

The backside of it ofcourse that if you have a large site it looks presentable and more trustworthy to the customer. But if you're just spamming with affiliate links or some other type of advertising scheme, it should not matter.

Art

Artstart




msg:423941
 7:23 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Forgot to add - there are two information sites ont he subject that are considered authority that have links to all of his sites

Bingo.

buckworks, those two are part of his network as well ;)

buckworks




msg:423942
 9:03 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Are those "authority sites" getting links from outside his network?

funandgames




msg:423943
 9:49 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

netnerd,

If you can get links from other unique sites all the better. Try to avoid reciprocal links. When asking for links, link to their site from a different one then the one they link back to you.

and...

Take ogletrees comments with a grain of salt...

[edited by: martinibuster at 9:51 pm (utc) on Oct. 11, 2004]
[edit reason] Edited for spelling. [/edit]

netnerd




msg:423944
 10:04 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

funandgames

Thanks - this is pretty much what i was expecting to hear.

I have a whole stock of salt so its always interesting to hear peoples opinions, even if they are not always expressed in the best of manners.

Thanks for your help funandgames.

Artstart




msg:423945
 12:02 am on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

buckwork,
Yes they have plenty of links, but most of them are engeneered...exchanges, blog spamming, free hosted sites...

rfung




msg:423946
 6:56 am on Nov 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

There is one person I know who has 20 almost identical sites, sellign the same stuff. He interlinked them and they've been up for more than a year.

They all have different IPs and target different sets of keywords. All of them have links pages with unique link exchanges and exchanges among them.

I would think that the fact that they're 'up' and with pr is because of their unique link exchanges, and not because of the interlinking. The interliking in this case if 'just another inbound', vs the primary (or only one).

Allybongo839




msg:423947
 5:09 pm on Nov 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've just come across exactly the same issue today. A client got in touch, with about the same number of sites and is wanting me to interlink them in the best way. He has basically got: -

www.allaboutwidgets.com
www.buywidgets.com

then
www.bluewidgets.com
www.redwidgets.com

then
www.shinybluewidgets.com
etc...

His idea is that 3 of his sites will appear for each search term. He is thinking that with a page on shiny blue widgets in the main site, a similar page on the second tier site and then a full domain dedicated to the same keyword that all 3 will appear together, which is highly unlikely.

They are also all hosted together so I think I'm going to advise that he bunches them all into the one site and gets some inbounds before he kills the whole lot! In my opinion he could make a great site based on the whole themed pyramid structure.

Have I made the right decision do you think?

Also, should I suggest that he puts a 301 redirect on all his other domains to the main one, or just trash them?

Thanks in advance!

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