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I'm all out of link partners...
how do I find more?
hdpt00




msg:421421
 2:36 am on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've looked on here for every trick in the book to find new link partners, "keyword" + "add url" and backlinking my competition type of stuff and now, after emailing 4,500 webmasters in my first round I am unsure how to find more link partners.

My main competitor is showing about 600 backlinks from google which I know isn't that much. I am wondering what you have to do to start getting in the 1,000+ backlinks from google or even from yahoo.

I am talking about 1,000 different sites linking to me, not getting a site-wide link on 1,000 pages.

I am also only looking for free links, be it reciprocal or non reciprocal.

Any suggestions or help is greatly appreciated!

 

Bowdii




msg:421422
 3:59 am on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Did you use a generic email for all 4500 possible links?

Hopefully you customized your email specifically for the webmaster.... Webmasters do not even read generic link to me emails.... Who would/?

Your next step it to wait a couple weeks, and pick up the phone and contacting these sites. Be personable, it goes along way.

Good Luck!

hdpt00




msg:421423
 4:29 am on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

My first round of emailed are generic where I get about 4% linking back to me. The next round sent to these same email addresses will be customized and only sent to sites that I think are highly targeted or have links pages just for my niche.

What I'm really looking for is recommendations on how to find more than 4,500 possible link partners?

henrik80




msg:421424
 2:59 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hello,
Interesting problem, I have it my self. My advice is, thing qualitative, not quantitative. Act business and serios. Telefon is better then spaming...

Please repond from your experience

hdpt00




msg:421425
 6:13 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I don't have time to sit down and call 2,000 people. Using an email template where I can insert one or two lines to make it look original and about their site is all I have time for.

I bet most webmasters are in the same position. Especially those where this is only part time.

Bowdii




msg:421426
 6:33 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Finding links is diffenetly an uphill battle. But you should listen to henrik80; quality is KEY! Being a webmaster, i looked after aprox. 60 sites! And i think with the million emails i received asking for a recipical link exchange, i might of answered 1 of them~! They are a bother, they are unprossional, you minus well pick up the phone and get 100 links, then waste other peoples time with your 4500 or so generic emails.... I do not like coming off harsh, but honestly, think of how your time should be better of spent:)

Good luck!

redintheforest




msg:421427
 6:45 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have e-mailed many sites to get about the same results. I only call the sites with great content/page rank of 5 or better. You might also consider hiring a freelance link campaign manager for several dollars per link.

PatrickDeese




msg:421428
 6:56 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just as an FYI - if I got a generic link ex req that I rejected initially and then a short while later I received another from the same site with "one or two lines to make it look original" I sincerely doubt that I would link to them.

bhartzer




msg:421429
 7:00 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

what you have to do to start getting in the 1,000+ backlinks from google

Being the leader in your industry, getting mentioned in the news, or creating awesome content that people want to link to always helps. ;)

martinibuster




msg:421430
 7:14 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

You might also consider hiring a freelance link campaign manager for several dollars per link.

Well, close to a few dollars.
Closer to $8-15 per link for reciprocals. Quality is not assured. If you have the generic travel/loans/diet/drug website then it's easier to do outsource. More difficult if you have something other than the usual suspects because the learning curve goes up on account of cultural differences, which makes the job more difficult.

There are also services that will get you one way inbounds for around $10-14 per link.

bhartzer is right on target. If your website cannot be all that, then create a website that can. Then do a ros back to your original website that has maxed out the entire WWW for link partners.

Build the ultimate Rod Stewart website. Then build the ultimate Jimmy Stewart website. Then build the ultimate Jackie Stewart website. The possibilities for brand new websites are literally endless.

If you cannot attract link partners to your money site, you can always build another website that can.

luckychucky




msg:421431
 2:44 am on Sep 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

I don't know your product or what your site is about, but surely if you use your imagination you could branch off into links with plenty of related sites, no? I mean to say this appears to me like it could possibly be a failure of imagination. Please correct me if I'm being presumptuous, I mean no offense.

Like, for example: say you use Overture or Google or Wordtracker's related-keyword tools and then Google each variation which comes up. Then you contact the top 5-10 SERPS for each. Then you research their backlinks. Certainly your competitors have backlinks. And their backlinks have backlinks...Directories? Portals? If you thoroughly follow that rabbit down the hole, and use some creativity, my experience is that the Internet labyrinth is endless and abundant.

Not to blow my own horn, but--OK, I'll blow my own horn--that's how I got to rank between 1-9 for every single one of the circa 50 top terms in my trade (and 1-3 for all the money keywords I really worked at). There's no good substitute for long nights in front of the monitor in my opinion, and it does pay off indeed. No automated solution or quick link purchase is really going to do it in the long run. Just my opinion. If you disagree that's OK.

henrik80




msg:421432
 7:22 am on Sep 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

luckychucky,,,
my dear, Im ipressed. I wonder who else more than me sitting houer after houer, night after night searching. Ive got a few sites with nice page rank and a few sites with nice positioning at the SE.

My problem is managing combine the external links and the context on my site to result in greate nice high positioning in the SE. Still the problem remains, effectiviness.

neuron




msg:421433
 2:25 am on Sep 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Generally, the search methodology you were using "keyword" + "add url" identifies sites that have automated linking scripts where you fill out an online form to add you link to the site. This is why you only got a 4% return link rate, because you emailed these sites rather than following their preferred method. Rather, you should visit those sites and fill out their forms. I generally get about 50% link backs from filling out forms. Filling out forms takes about 4 minutes on average per site, and has got to be one of them most boring tasks on Earth.

Form link request submissions also have the added benefit of not subjecting you to spam complaints, which can and do happen when you collect a bunch of domains via some spider and send bulk mail to webmaster@domain.com.

Some sites support themed links and some do not. Identify industries that have general linking directories and this will open up a lot more sites to potential links.

SlyOldDog




msg:421434
 7:51 am on Sep 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Anyone heard of a spider that crawls the web filling out forms? :)

neuron




msg:421435
 10:28 am on Sep 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

You SlyOldDog you. No, I don't think there are any, but I have seen some 'helper' apps that assist in filling our forms online.

Perhaps a script could be written to ID which link management script is running and thus what fields are required and where, and automatically fill those in?

God! I love this place.

luckychucky




msg:421436
 3:11 pm on Sep 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

You'd better build a randomizer in there, too...
GoogleBombing with identical backlink anchor text will do you harm.

A mass-produced, machine-made boat, musical instrument or oil painting might be quite nice, but the legendary ones are all produced lovingly by hand.

moose606




msg:421437
 7:29 pm on Sep 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have placed a "requesting a link" page on all my sites, which have cut and paste boxes with all my relevant linking info, state that reciprocal links are required, and have a link request submission form. Why not have them come to you?

dirkz




msg:421438
 6:00 pm on Sep 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

> The next round sent to these same email addresses will be customized

Please don't bother :)

Dominic_X




msg:421439
 7:12 pm on Sep 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

I hope you realise you may end up with 2,000 links and still not rank well?...

Focus on the top 50 sites in your search results for your money term.

It doesn't matter who links to them these days unless they turn up in the same set of search results also (IMO).

If you focus on the top fifty for:
serps
allintitle
allinanchor
allinurl

These are the links you really need.

1,000's of links from anywhere won't compare to 100's from 'your neighbourhood.'

If you want to look beyond this use the ~keyword -keyword search to find some closely related words semanticaly to repeat the process for.

Also look to all sites in DMOZ categories which relate to you.

See also: Topic Sensitive PageRank, Local Rank, Latent Semantic Indexing.

hdpt00




msg:421440
 7:21 pm on Sep 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've done all this. I am #2 for allinanchor and am on links pages that all my competition is on, for the most part. I am trying to surpass them in the SERPs, howvever, by expanding who links to me after depleting all my other resources, including: every relevant dmoz category, backlinks of competition for my keywords and related keywords, etc.

I am going for links from on topic links pages or on topic sites only for the most part. Maybe I just ran out?

Dominic_X




msg:421441
 7:32 pm on Sep 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

I know the feeling.

Have you listed in:
MSN Small Business Directory

And several other directories?

Another suggestion is to be active in webmaster forums which allow links in signature files (I have a couple of hundred links this way - plus you can change them on-mass to direct the links to where you need them from time to time).

[edited by: martinibuster at 7:38 pm (utc) on Sep. 28, 2004]
[edit reason] spelling [/edit]

chrisnrae




msg:421442
 2:57 am on Sep 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

You don't necessarily need "more" links to beat them out if you can get "better" links. But, sending out a spider and sending out 4500 automated emails aren't likely to get those "better" links.

Christyl Stevens




msg:421443
 10:10 am on Sep 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

You don't necessarily need "more" links to beat them out if you can get "better" links.

Okay, I'll ask.

What exactly do mean by "better" links?

TIA

chrisnrae




msg:421444
 1:11 pm on Sep 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

More one way links, more links from authority sites, more links on more relevant pages, links on pages with less outbound links, etc.

stretch_dog




msg:421445
 11:12 pm on Sep 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

"You don't necessarily need "more" links to beat them out if you can get "better" links."

You're absolutely right...

- One way links are generally better than reciprocal links.

- On topic, relevant links are always better than off topic links.

Context links contained within the written content of a page, linking to another page with additional information on the same, or related topic, are Gold!

- Links from authority sites are also Gold!

- Links from pages with fewer outgoing links are usually better than those coming from pages with more outgoing links (all esle being equal), however... a relevant, on topic, contextual link with good proximity, coming from a page with lots of ogl's is often better than an off topic, non-contextual link, with poor proximity coming from a page with fewer ogl's. (by proximity I simply mean location on the page).

- Links from "links pages" that are not layed out appropriately, meaning catagorized, broken into themed pages and optimized, c/w good anchor text in proximity to good descriptive text and title attribute etc., are generally not worth much.

- Links generated by automated means and even include files (when fully crosslinked), are often discounted.

- Stay away from link farms, FFA's, poorly organized directory services, link exchange software, and anything that simply looks too good to be true... unless you totally understand the process and fully trust the source.

And remember... there is no way that you can banned by Google or any other search engine becuase you've bought and paid for back links!

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it!

Stretch Dog : -))~~~~~~~~~~~~~

PS... In answer to the original question of "I'm all out of link partners how do I find more?"... You do it the hard way by acquiring them one at a time, you buy them (less you're a fear monger, or you join a link exchange service. We've done all the above and about the latter, be carefully because most are a rip!

We've recently investigated and signed onto what we beleive is going to be great one, but I can't mention it here or this post will be removed.... sorry people, it's the way it is!

SlyOldDog




msg:421446
 8:41 am on Oct 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Where do you people get your information?

Has anyone got proof of what they are talking about, or are you just repeating parrot fashion what you read on forum3?

Christyl Stevens




msg:421447
 5:52 am on Oct 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Where do you people get your information?

Has anyone got proof of what they are talking about, or are you just repeating parrot fashion what you read on forum3?

So are you saying that you have proof to the contrary?

jamie




msg:421448
 7:25 am on Oct 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

martinibuster, that's a great suggestion - thanks for opening my eyes!

nice points dominic too.

rytis




msg:421449
 10:32 am on Oct 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

...The next round sent to these same email addresses will be customized ...

Your next round will not pass mailwasher or other SPAM filters unless you use different domain to send from.

I would recommend you concentrate on quality of links, of course if your venture is aimed at anything longer than couple months.

R

SlyOldDog




msg:421450
 10:05 pm on Oct 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>So are you saying that you have proof to the contrary?

I have sites that rank extremely well in difficult areas without "good links". That is proof you don't need them.

I think 90% of the talk about theme pyramids and on-topic links is hogwash. It may come true one day, but today Google doesn't use theming. Or if they do it carries nearly no weight in the ranking.

As for Pagerank, that is a mere shadow of what it was until early 2003, so I don't get excited when I get a PR7 link anymore.

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