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SEO is easy
shhh! do not tell forum 3
Crush




msg:415723
 5:13 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

I just went to the google forum. All the waffle going on there these days, It is monotonous to read sometimes. Us folks that hang out here know how easy SEO is. Links and anchor text and that is about it.

 

Brett_Tabke




msg:415724
 5:14 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

sure if you play in the basement :-) But those in the penthouse know different ;)

Crush




msg:415725
 5:19 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Also if you have a forum with people writing content for you and a link to a host in the footer. Not a bad idea either ;)

phantombookman




msg:415726
 5:54 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

I too have found SEO easy - no training or anything!
Loads of #1 matches etc - easy living for me.

This may have something to do with the fact that there is little to no SEO in my area.

If I had to compete with some of the people in these various forums - well... I guess I'd be in a permanent sandbox of my/their making

Regards to all
Rod

ogletree




msg:415727
 6:21 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

SEO is not easy. Getting tons of traffic from Google is easy. Most people don't know the difference. I know people that might spend 3 months trying and failing to get some general term while I have ramped up to about 50K page views a day from G only traffic with 4 digit a day earnings in the same amount of time.

Crush




msg:415728
 6:31 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

ogletree, did not get the point there? You saying you get content and links? That is the difference between you and some other guy? Or were you just tring to boast about your income?

SlyOldDog




msg:415729
 7:38 am on Aug 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

yes - 4 digits a day. $99.99

g1smd




msg:415730
 7:54 am on Aug 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

More to it than links.

Doc Title, meta description, headings, on-page content, alt attributes, un-bloated code with external CSS and javascript files, and several other things all help too.

I have a site at #2 in 11 million results (on a two word search term) with only a few dozen incoming links and it is only PR5. The other factors are what count in that case.

Crush




msg:415731
 8:01 am on Aug 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

I mage a page with the right page titles and put gif there and got incoming anchor. Page ranks very well. So sure on page factors and contribute but as my test has shown links seem to the majority of it.

SlyOldDog




msg:415732
 11:32 am on Aug 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

GSM1 - 11 million results doesn't tell me anything. Search for "white red" and that brings up 11 million results. I bet anyone could be number 1 with 1 link and the correct anchor text.

sean




msg:415733
 3:44 pm on Aug 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

ogletree's point:

SEO is not easy.

Relatively few people can compete at the highest level of SEO and taste the "forbidden fruit" of ultra-lucrative keywords. Most people who try get a reality check instead of a pay check.

Getting tons of traffic from Google is easy.

Luckily, there is no shortage of keyword combinations which require only basic optimzation, and anyone can pick these up with the right content strategy.

Crush




msg:415734
 6:53 pm on Aug 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Look at any capital "city hotels" and see how the guy got there. Purely links. So it is easy if you have enough link resources.

martinibuster




msg:415735
 8:25 pm on Aug 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Links links links!
So many strategies so little time. Build build build. Even an underperforming website can be rehabilitated.

thomask




msg:415736
 10:05 pm on Aug 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

hmm, what exactly is 'SEO'?

ThomasK ;)

SlyOldDog




msg:415737
 10:43 pm on Aug 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

One thing is clear: This will not last much longer and lots of link guys will lose their jobs.

One thing is not so clear: What will the engines use instead of links to rank pages?

keeper




msg:415738
 11:06 pm on Aug 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

What will the engines use instead of links to rank pages?

Maybe real popularity (read: unique traffic) is a better indicator of quality than a link?

Then SEO wouldn't be as easy as claimed...sounds like all you need to do is type some HTML into a network of sites and presto.

Might have to change the forum name to popularity development :)

gopi




msg:415739
 11:18 pm on Aug 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

>> This will not last much longer

True ...but when all this ends wise SEO's would be all set to retire and dont have to work anymore :)

martinibuster




msg:415740
 11:30 pm on Aug 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>> unique traffic) is a better indicator of quality than a link?

Well, that would wipe out new websites, wouldn't it?

Is SEO really that easy?

nuevojefe




msg:415741
 3:35 am on Aug 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>Unique traffic.

Unless you're "example.com" you're not going to get that much unique traffic without search results (unless you're spamming something such as forum boards, blogs, etc). -I'm referring to the average Joe's website or small to mid-size businesses without any real press coverage or viral marketing.

Anyway, none of those other sources of unique traffic necessarily say anything about the quality of a site.

nalin




msg:415742
 6:21 am on Aug 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>Unique traffic.

Unless you're "example.com" you're not going to get that much unique traffic without search results (unless you're spamming something such as forum boards, blogs, etc). -I'm referring to the average Joe's website or small to mid-size businesses without any real press coverage or viral marketing.

Anyway, none of those other sources of unique traffic necessarily say anything about the quality of a site.

I had the same initial reaction regaurding unique traffic - BUT this only holds for sites that exclusivly market via SEP. While press coverage, buzz etc. cant be generated, clicks and traffic via adwords (and other "cheapish" marketing venues) can. Most "important" internet precenses will try to gather some traffic in this manner.

The toolbar and the statistic it gathers would likly be able to differentiate not only quantity but quality - so that sites which advertise, for instance, via popups have this traffic negated or penalized (good log files and conversion tracking allow us as webmasters to do the same - imagine what one could acceive with a logfile millions upon millions of users strong).

I think it only logical that in the near future traffic patterns and the behavior of visitors ranks pagerank for determining relevancy amoungst the top contenders - patterns and such for say 5% of internet users could be made to provide results infinatly more accurate then link weight and anchortext because it provides better more robust data and fudging results would require manipulation on a more substancial scale. A sites inbounds and content must be used to get the phrase - and in the vast majority of cases for ranking as well but when sorting the subset of top phrases your going to get a real strong correlation between quality of the site and pageviews per visitor you sent over on the query.

I dont know, it only goes so far, as you have general patterns and then you have query specific patterns, but the query specific ones - the ones which give you the most bang - need a good dataset, which in turn necessitates a well searched phrase and users phoning home. If theres one area where MSN has the edge...

Crush




msg:415743
 7:21 am on Aug 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

read: unique traffic

That means that new sites would never get a look in because the established ones would be at the top all the time. I can see people using hitbots, proxy ips etc to make there sites get more hits.

There always has to be some commodity to a site ranking apart from purely content. You tweak one and then just as much mischief goes on in the part of the algo. Whatever google does it will be manipulated. Why not keep links. The are time consuming to get and you have to be constantly working to cover your ass.

sean




msg:415744
 1:48 pm on Aug 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

FYI, I started a new thread ( [webmasterworld.com...] ) to explore the issue of toolbar data.

SlyOldDog




msg:415745
 3:37 pm on Aug 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

So the next project will be a clickbot which uses the toolbar :)

keeper




msg:415746
 9:01 am on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, that would wipe out new websites, wouldn't it?

Maybe if unique visitors were the only factor in the algorithm. That's not what I'm suggesting.

I'm talking about an extra indicator of quality, sensibly weighted into a search engine algorithm to provide a superior user experience and decrease the effects of manipulation.

(Yes, a superior user experience means having access to all websites, even the new ones)

jimpoo




msg:415747
 3:43 am on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, should we make a conclusion: Link is the King!

Recall one year ago, every one said 'Content is the King!'

:)

Stefan




msg:415748
 3:53 am on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Recall one year ago, every one said 'Content is the King!'

Content is still king, at least in the long-term. If you want to spam SE's using disposable domains, that will work in the short-term.

Hardwood Guy




msg:415749
 3:33 pm on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

"I'm talking about an extra indicator of quality, sensibly weighted into a search engine algorithm to provide a superior user experience and decrease the effects of manipulation"

"rate this site" It's an idea. Have a little table next to the site and have surfers rate the site. Yea, I know--that would open up a new can of manipulation.

vitaplease




msg:415750
 3:37 pm on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

forum 3 here!

Thanks, I didn't know it was that easy ;)

netnerd




msg:415751
 7:05 pm on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Forum 3 here also.

Ssh - dont tell forum 12 - link building is easy.

martinibuster




msg:415752
 7:12 pm on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ok, if Content is King, would Link qualify as the one who keeps the King in power?

I guess it depends what side of the tracks you're working. In the most general situations,

  • links support your content.
  • Good content will attract more links.
  • Good content gives pther websites a reason to link to you
  • Links help bring in more visitors
  • More visitors lead to more links

Eeek, I'm getting dizzy!

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