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AV linkpop vs. themes?
jackal2000




msg:420321
 11:54 pm on Sep 21, 2000 (gmt 0)

What has people experience been with the importane of the number of links to your site, vs. a well developed site with a theme.

Also, what has your experience been with themes. I have seen sites that deliberately have about 100 hidden pages especially for the purpose of creating a theme. The themes on my sites are usually around 10-20 pages.

 

Brett_Tabke




msg:420322
 11:26 am on Sep 22, 2000 (gmt 0)

Inbound link text are part of themes.

seth_wilde




msg:420323
 3:10 pm on Sep 22, 2000 (gmt 0)

I think to be successful you need to concentrate on both themes and links. For non competitive categories themes could get you a top listing, but for anything competitive you need a combination of the two. (and as far as links go I would concentrate on RELEVANT links)

I wouldn't worry about 100's of hidden pages, If you can work your keywords in throughout your site, you shouldn't have too many problems establishing a theme.

DaveAtIFG




msg:420324
 5:49 am on Sep 23, 2000 (gmt 0)

My experience is identical to Seth's, every point he makes.

Also, size doesn't matter! To SEs at least... I have a site with only 14 moderately sized pages, carefully themed and well linked, that is very prominent on most major SEs.

jackal2000




msg:420325
 12:41 am on Sep 24, 2000 (gmt 0)

Thank you for all the great information guys.

Brett_Tabke




msg:420326
 4:00 pm on Sep 25, 2000 (gmt 0)

I think the key thing about size is to have a variety. Maybe some small micro pages for Google, some middle pages for Alta, and some huge pages for Fast. The variety approach survives the ups and downs in the se's better. Diversity is the key to long term success. A little bit of everything in moderation.

2_much




msg:420327
 5:00 pm on Sep 25, 2000 (gmt 0)

So what do you consider the essentials...the "ingredients" that every index page MUST have...in terms of optimization strategies...

Eloquent, descriptive title, lots of good content revolving around a theme (with keywords repeated often,) H1 or H2 (both if possible), consistent theme, relevant incoming and outgoing links (some to authority hubs), keywords in alt tags...and ??????????????????

Benj




msg:420328
 5:51 pm on Sep 25, 2000 (gmt 0)

The essentials...
Keyword as first word in title tag, keyword in H1 tag at the top of the page, keyword bolded near the top of the page, keyword italicized near the top of the page, keyword sprinkled throughout your paragraphs, and keyword in a link bolded. Also keyword in the description tag.

seth_wilde




msg:420329
 6:00 pm on Sep 25, 2000 (gmt 0)

2_much-

What Brett said about variety in page sizes applies to the overall optimization as well.

Although a theme is established by the content of every page on the site. That same theme is seen differently depending on which page your looking at it from (ie - each page gets its own theme score).

So to answer your question the only thing that I try to do on every page is use the selected keyword(s) in the body text at least once. I try to mix up everything else (ie - keyword weight in the body text, heading tags, metas, etc...). I think this gives you a much better chance of AV finding something that they like. (And it also keeps you away from any spam filters).

oilman




msg:420330
 6:07 pm on Sep 25, 2000 (gmt 0)

Here's a little something I posted awhile ago that is relevant and slightly updated:

lets say you have 5 key words/phrases (for ease of this reply we will call them k1, k2, k3, k4, k5)
- rank them in order of importance to building the theme: k1, k2, k3,k4, k5

Here's how I would set up the keyword metas:
page1 - k1 k2 k1 k3 k1 k4 k5 - focus k1
page2 - k1 k2 k3 k2 k4 k2 k5 - focus k2
page3 - k1 k3 k2 k3 k4 k3 k5 - focus k3
page4 - k1 k4 k2 k4 k3 k4 k5 - focus k4
and so on without using commas and keeping the repitition to 3 intsances of the focus word/phrase.

As for the title tag I would start it with the focus word and then the other words in order of focus for that page. Title tag would also be kept to 64 to 70 characters as well.

Description would once again start with focus word and include others as well. Focus word should show up twice. Keep to a couple sentences (200 characters).

Body of page is where it gets a little tougher. Focus word up to 8%-10% as close to the top of the page as possible without compromising writing style and flow. Distribute other words 2%-3% throughout the content as well. Number of words is not a real issue here. I've seen pages with 1500 words rank nicely. The only key here is to keep you keywords/phrases closer to the top to feed the spiders that may not read the whole thing.

Also, don't forget text links using keywords to the other pages of the site. In this case the link to the page focused on k3 would use k3 in the link text.

2_much




msg:420331
 6:15 pm on Sep 25, 2000 (gmt 0)

Great information, thanks Seth and Benj!

The natural tendency is to want to replicate accross the board whatever is working...However, I'm realizing that this is a bad idea because what is working today will DEFINITELY not be working tommorrow (or in the near future)...So it is necessary to be prepared for this by having sites with different elements and ingredietns...This way, WHEN the algo changes, some of the other index pages that have different elements will have a chance of ranking well. Thanks for the reality check, Seth and Brett!

In the meantime, is this a relatively complete list of "ingredients" to keep in mind when optimizing pages? Any other suggestions?

Eloquent, descriptive title, lots of good content revolving around a theme (with keywords repeated often,) H1 or H2 with keyword at the top of the page(both if possible), consistent theme, relevant incoming and outgoing links (some to authority hubs), keywords in alt tags, keyword as first word in title tag, keyword bolded near the top of the page, keyword italicized near the top of the page, keyword sprinkled throughout your paragraphs, and keyword in a link bolded. Also keyword in the description tag.

rcjordan




msg:420332
 6:22 pm on Sep 25, 2000 (gmt 0)

>is this a relatively complete list of "ingredients" to keep in mind when optimizing pages? Any other suggestions?
There are two threads that you might quickly scan, though I suspect you've run across them already. "Thou Shalt Not" and "One-Size-Fits-All"

2_much




msg:420333
 6:27 pm on Sep 25, 2000 (gmt 0)

Yup..thanks RC...got those memorized by now ;-)

Just checking for updates in the everchanging world of SE's...

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