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What is PR worth?
Especially for a page I can't see!

 12:08 pm on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)


This is my first post, although I've been 'around' for a while.

I have a site in the "widget" field, and have been offered a link on a "widget-related" PR7 site for $75, or a PR8 for $375. When I asked the the person I am dealing with ( a middle man, obviously) for URLs to check out, he came back with "We have an agreement with out webmasters not to reveal their URL s until we’ve posted a customer’s links".

My questions are - is this common practise re. the URLs, do the prices sound reasonable, or should I ignore the whole thing? I am aware that a URL with many outgoing links, or that has boosted its' PR via a 'bad neighborhood' would be useless or even detrimental to me.

Thanks for any comments.


[edited by: martinibuster at 1:58 pm (utc) on June 28, 2004]
[edit reason] widgetized. [/edit]



 12:13 pm on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

Scam .


 8:46 am on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks - that's what I thought, but after asking some questions of them, they said that they had a 'guarantee' in that I don't get billed for the link until after it appears.

So I'd have to change my question to:

If it IS a legitimate deal on an on-topic site with lowish outgoing links and no 'bad neighborhood' issues, is $75 worth it for a PR7, and $375 for a PR8?


 9:20 am on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

>What is PR worth?

Less than it used to be! But, it does still have value.

For me a link that guarantees:

PR9: $100K per month
PR8: $40K per month
PR7: $20K per month
PR6: $1K per month

Below those numbers we are in the reciprocal link syndrome that doesn't have much financial value.

Those that can deliver should be willing to let you see. If they want to keep it hidden I would be very skeptical!


 9:52 am on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)


Definitely a scam.

Percentages - are you seriously offering $1k/month for a link which guarantees a page a PR6? And $20k a month for a PR7?

Not sure I follow your prices.

But if that's right, I want to do business with you!



 10:06 am on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Primum, Is that a monthly price?

If they're monthly prices then the PR7 is about right and the PR8 a little high I suspect (not that I'd know of course ;)).

I wouldn't condemn it out of hand as a scam. I have it on the best authority that it really isn't unusual to not know the URL until you've done the deal ;)



 11:24 am on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes, it's a monthly price.

And if I don't pay until after I'm listed - is there anything to lose (famous last words?)

Here's a <paraphrase> from an email I received from them re. why they wouldn't show me the URLs:

"<...The information is kept private in order to protect our partner websites from being penalized by Google.>"

What do you make of that?

[edited by: martinibuster at 3:28 pm (utc) on June 29, 2004]
[edit reason] Please do not quote from private emails. Thanks. [/edit]


 11:30 am on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

So they think Google are too cheap to set up an email account and pay $75 for a link if they really wanted to find out which PR7 was selling links? That argument falls flat on its face when you consider that there isn't exactly a shortage of money at Google at the moment. I don't think that Google would actually do this - but I'm just pointing out that it is a weak argument.

How about this one:

I'll sell you a cake - I'll tell you where it is only after you give me the money... If you must buy links at least know where you're buying it.

[edited by: edit_g at 11:54 am (utc) on June 29, 2004]


 11:46 am on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Did they contact you via targeted spam to exchange / buy links ...?


 1:28 pm on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Those are decent prices if you can't build the inbound links and PR yourself. I would be very careful reading the fine print and also would not jeoparidize any good site with this. It may not be a bad neighborhood today but it may become one tomorrow.


 1:48 pm on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Don't pay until you get the PR boost from that link ;)


 1:55 pm on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

On the subject, I was looking around for sites to swap links with and i came across an American newspaper selling links and was openly stating you pay per month

So what’s the difference between these people and the others doing it? i mean Google penalize them...


[edited by: martinibuster at 3:43 pm (utc) on June 29, 2004]
[edit reason] edited for specifics. [/edit]


 4:14 pm on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Buying & selling PR is a worthy subject for discussion.

Some things to keep in mind:

It's important to not post specifics.

  • Specifics can serve to promote a particular link for sale (intentionally, unintentionally, or not intentionally wink-wink)
  • Specifics can intentionally or unintentionally "out" a website for buying or selling links. It is a clear policy at WebmasterWorld (Item 28 of the TOS) that posting personal information of another member or another website is strictly forbidden and can result in your being banned from WebmasterWorld.

Self promotion
It's important to NOT promote or offer to sell anything on WebmasterWorld. Posts about buying links can lead to self-promotion in the same way that posts about Web Hosting do. For that reason, posts about specific Web Hosts are no longer allowed.

Please don't ruin the discussion for others by inviting others to sticky you for more information- whether you are intentionally or unintentionally promoting a link sale, it can have that effect. It can also have the effect of encouraging others to jump in and promote their services in that manner.


 4:17 pm on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Don't pay until you get the PR boost from that link ;)

I agree. If what you're buying is PR and not traffic.

What happens if that PR is subsequently nullified by Google? A pro-rata refund?



 6:37 pm on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

As Martinibuster commented about specifics....

It's important that you consider this scenario:

You have a link on this site. Would you want every single person that the link broker contacted (or vice-versa) to be given the URL for inspection? Or, would you prefer that only those that had a link there were privy to the knowledge?

Obviously it's not an absolute failsafe, I'm sure the G could afford to use a click or two of Mesothelioma money to pay and inspect but it's safer than offering a free look. You'll find that this is fairly common practice.

If you want to avoid that, just go searching some high PR semi-spammy sites' backlinks and you'll find some PR seller eventually. Then just contact them.

Or convince Percentages to give me 20k to make his site PR7 and I'll give you some free PR7 links. :-)


 9:18 pm on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hey percentages! Sticky me, we must do business ASAP.

(I am, of course, kidding, I am not that mean :)

And yes, it is common not to show PR pages before paying. However, it's only best to do that kinda business with throwaway domains.


 9:00 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

Precentage: are you saying that you pay these prices for links on pages with these page ranks? Seems kinda high to me but i dunno. Or are you saying that the price would give your page that PR?

Quoted: For me a link that guarantees:

PR9: $100K per month
PR8: $40K per month
PR7: $20K per month
PR6: $1K per month


 11:19 am on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)


To me, in my field, these are numbers I would pay for the resultant PR.

It will depend on your category, but I can make very good profits on sites that achieve the higher PR scales.

PR has been down valued at Google, but to get top positions for very common search terms you still need good PR, and therefore value is still associated with it.

If you deal in the big money categories you still need PR to capture the most popular terms. Generating high PR in these areas is tricky as it is very competitive and by nature people will not want to provide cross links from high PR pages.

I can generate PR7 sites with a lot of effort, but I really need PR8 sites to kill the competition........and doing that is close to impossible outside of buying links(PR).


 1:18 am on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)


What's the usual life-span of a high PR site that links to you? (meaning how long before it gets banned)

I assume your industry is ultra competitive and any high PR sites showing in your backlinks probably gets submitted via spam report with an unusually high frequency.


 1:29 am on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

vexcominc on the basis you quote we would change from a company offering good value products and services to one that only sold links to PR 7, 6 and 5 pages.


 2:13 pm on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Don't forget to inquire regarding if the link is a true link or if it redirects through their database which would result in a PR Leak and you would receive zero benefit. Also, the issue of how many links are on the page, and will be in the future, as well as where the link will appear. The link shouldn't just be for PR, but for bringing actual traffic. If the result is paying an average of 30 cents a click and the link is true and PR is directed to your site that would be gravy, which is exactly the type of deal that will be profitable for you.




 2:18 pm on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

What if you pay big money for the link, then 1 month from now Google penalizes the linking site and drops them to PR0?

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