homepage Welcome to WebmasterWorld Guest from 184.73.104.82
register, free tools, login, search, pro membership, help, library, announcements, recent posts, open posts,
Become a Pro Member
Home / Forums Index / Marketing and Biz Dev / Link Development
Forum Library, Charter, Moderators: martinibuster

Link Development Forum

    
Why should Links pages not be named Links?
TomJ

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1603 posted 12:01 am on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Please can someone explain this as I have read various peoples opinions but not read anything concrete to say that Links pages should not be names links pages.

Why might resources or other sites be better?

any help on this appreciated ;-)

Tom.

 

ken_b

WebmasterWorld Senior Member ken_b us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1603 posted 12:28 am on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Why should Links pages not be named Links?

From what I've read here it seems like it mostly boils down to the fear of penalty now or in the future due to guilt by association.

Another perspective is that if visitors pay any attention to page titles, then "Resources" may be a more positively reinforcing term.

rj87uk

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1603 posted 11:35 am on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hey Tom,

I don't know if this is correct or not but i have heard that Google have been placing less importance on the links in the links page,

If anyone could set me straight to it be a help!

TomJ

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1603 posted 2:58 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

hmmm, i hope not.....should i rename my links pages to sites or some other term?

i've only got 2 links pages at mo.....so if i just start say......resources 1 thru 20 etc and keep links 1 & 2 that would be a better way forward?

topr8

WebmasterWorld Senior Member topr8 us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1603 posted 3:05 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

it doesn't make any difference what your links page is called or titled, where it does make a difference is if you are actively seeking to exchange links ....

in this case other webmasters may be wary of exchanging with you because some pages titled links have been denegrated (in my view) in terms of passing on pr. additionally the title of the page where a link derives has some relevance to ranking IMO, therefore YOUR well titled page will help ME more if i exchange links with you so i'd be more inclined to exchange with you.

martinibuster

WebmasterWorld Administrator martinibuster us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month



 
Msg#: 1603 posted 4:15 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

topr8 makes some excellent points.

Some links pages are like the kid who spends more time sitting on the bench than on the field playing soccer. A links page has it's own moves too, and can play a supporting role in a website's success.

Naming a reciprocal links page, "links" can be a factor in why the kid is on the bench instead of helping you score some goals. Let's discuss this some more.

As topr8 mentions, creating a web page that is attractive to potential link partners is a great way to help ensure success to a link campaign.

What are ways in which we can make a links page attractive?

  • Don't hide it... Provide it!
    You can place a link to your Industry Resources page on every page of your website. I know some people wouldn't want to "waste" link pop flow on a "links" page, but that's part of what makes a "links" page unattractive.
  • Make it useful to your users.
    If your recips page is integrated into the website in a manner so that it becomes an "industry resource" full of "helpful websites" then this too will make you attractive to potential link partners, ease your link hunting chores, and make your website useful and recommendable for your visitors.

It's early in the morning for me. This is a good thread. Anybody else have more ideas?

ken_b

WebmasterWorld Senior Member ken_b us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1603 posted 5:32 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

resources 1 thru 20 etc

What makes these pages useful is that they are actually useful and easy to use.

page1.htm says nothing. But.....

Resources/widget-parts.htm
Resources/widget-restoration.htm
Resources/widget-dealers.htm

(or Resources/widgets/parts.htm etc)

all help the user, and you, get a better understanding of what to expect and how to use the page.

You may only have a couple of pages now, but if you want the resources section of your site to expand, now is the time to think about the growth of your navigation structure for the section.

If your current links pages are fairly new and not real well established with incoming links from other websites, I'd find a new use for them. In a good resource section there are always a few listings that don't quite fit in any more specific category, but are still good resources, you may want to use the existing pages for those.

If they are well established, I'd still re-purpose them by moving the listings off them and converting the pages to useful, but expendable, resource commentary pages, with prominent links to the resource sections you moved the listings to and to your main Resources page.

rj87uk

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1603 posted 8:02 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi, guys!

Staying on the subject...
i need to come to terms with my self so forgive me if i sound 'crazy'!
What is best Sujestion (1) or (2)

(1)If say a web page had 10 pages... and each page at the bottom had 5 reciprocal links all on the same subject and no links page. OR!

(2) 50 recip. links on the 'links' page?

I know (1) would divert traffic away 'bad' ;p
but would google prefer (2)? i seen one site do (2) and he had a PR of 7 linking to useles sites...

on a lighter note is there anything in the world that is a widget? or should i invent 1? :D

Symbios

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1603 posted 8:41 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Adding a page called links.html or similar does nothing for the themeing of you site, if you have to add a links page make them useful and call it something like widgetresources.html if done properly it gives vistors access to more related sites to visit.

It may be that one day there are so many pages called links.html that some of the search engines decides to throw the switch and not count links coming from pages called links.html as being a legit vote for another site, its been done before, how many sites show back links from pages called guestbook.html?

debunked

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1603 posted 10:29 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Resources/widget-parts.htm
Resources/widget-restoration.htm
Resources/widget-dealers.htm

(or Resources/widgets/parts.htm etc)

all help the user, and you, get a better understanding of what to expect and how to use the page.

You may only have a couple of pages now, but if you want the resources section of your site to expand, now is the time to think about the growth of your navigation structure for the section.

If your current links pages are fairly new and not real well established with incoming links from other websites, I'd find a new use for them. In a good resource section there are always a few listings that don't quite fit in any more specific category, but are still good resources, you may want to use the existing pages for those.

If they are well established, I'd still re-purpose them by moving the listings off them and converting the pages to useful, but expendable, resource commentary pages, with prominent links to the resource sections you moved the listings to and to your main Resources page.

This is good info, and the title of page being relevent. These make the links page relevent and SE optimized!

yowza

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1603 posted 10:43 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

On one website I have a links page named links.htm that has a pr of 0 (not banned). The rest of the site ranges from pr 3 to 5. Many of the pr 3 pages have the same linking structure (inbound links) as the links.htm page. All pages were indexed by Google in the same update.

Links.htm had a pr of 3, but recently dropped. I did not link to any bad neighborhoods. In fact, I only have two links on the whole page, both to sites in my portfolio. I created the page to show my portfolio, so I'm not too worried about pagerank or link exchanges.

Thus, it appears that there is some kind of PR penalty for pages named links.htm. I know that some will say that it is a coincidence (it may be), but why take the chance of a PR reduction?

valeyard

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1603 posted 10:44 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've said it before, I'll say it again: for Google or any search engine to deprecate links from a page called "links.html" would be an act of stupendous stupidity.

Two reasons: 1) Many, many, many high quality, non-SEO sites have "links.html" pages as a genuine service to the user; 2) innocent websites would be hit by such a move whilst knowledgable spammers would simply rename their pages.

Google have done some dumb things in the last year but I don't think even their PhDs are that stupid.

That said, as always we need to put the user first. As a user I find a single links page with 200 links unwieldy. I'd much prefer separate pages for "Widget polishing links", "Widget cooking links", "Widget growing links" etc.

manwah

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1603 posted 7:41 am on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

I don't think you name a page called links.html or link.htm will hurt your PR based on my experience.

Global Options:
 top home search open messages active posts  
 

Home / Forums Index / Marketing and Biz Dev / Link Development
rss feed

All trademarks and copyrights held by respective owners. Member comments are owned by the poster.
Home ¦ Free Tools ¦ Terms of Service ¦ Privacy Policy ¦ Report Problem ¦ About ¦ Library ¦ Newsletter
WebmasterWorld is a Developer Shed Community owned by Jim Boykin.
© Webmaster World 1996-2014 all rights reserved