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Signing guestbooks, good or bad?
georgiek50

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Msg#: 1599 posted 7:00 am on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

I read some time back in these forums about signing guestbooks for getting links. I am also aware that FFA pages are very bad. So my question is, isn't a guestbook kind of like a FFA page in some respect and could possibly lead to penalties?

 

Smiley

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Msg#: 1599 posted 9:42 am on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Any type of link manipulation, especially as obvious as guestbook’s, can lead to penalties. But whether on not that penalty actually exists at present at the moment depends on how you do it.

Before signing a load think carefully if your time is better spent on building quality links.

edit_g

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Msg#: 1599 posted 9:44 am on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Are we voting here? Er... Unequivocally bad.

whiteperfect

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Msg#: 1599 posted 2:56 pm on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Personally I don't think there will be a penalty for such links in guest books? If there is, why won't I do it for my competitors ;p hehe and DRAG THEM DOWN all the way .... :)

DaveAtIFG

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Msg#: 1599 posted 3:18 pm on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

I believe there is little (perhaps no) benefit awarded a site for a link from a guestbook. There could be a penalty associated with a high volume of GB links, but I doubt it.

I suspect the idea of a GB penalty arose a few years ago when people began to realize how much Google valued incoming links. Here's the scenario:
1. People discovered Google likes incoming links
2. Lots of people "signed" lots of GBs
3. Those people got a boost in Google SERPs
4. Google got wise and devalued GB links
5. The GB signers dropped in the SERPs, erroneously assuming a penalty

georgiek50

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Msg#: 1599 posted 4:10 pm on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

"The GB signers dropped in the SERPs, erroneously assuming a penalty"

That makes perfect sense. Thanks.

whiteperfect

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Msg#: 1599 posted 4:58 pm on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Agreed! :) but 1 thing - how does google determine a Guest Book? ... from text in the page?

DaveAtIFG

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Msg#: 1599 posted 10:50 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

There has been some discussion and speculation. The answer to that question could be worth a lot of money to the SEO(s) that figure (or have figured) it out, and Google won't tell you, so I wouldn't count on an authoritative answer. :)

Bernie

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Msg#: 1599 posted 11:20 am on May 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

nah, I would keep my hands off guestbooks.

first it seems to me that G has developed some considerable discount on guestbook links. please correct me if I am wrong.

second - and this is not an ethical but purely entrepreneurial point of view - people get p***ed of if you sign their guestbooks for SEO purposes. This bad reputation will boomerang back to your site and company sooner or later.

third - this is my very personal opinion - I would not count on the old rule of thumb "Google won't let a competitor harm your site" anylonger.

Why? Because Google is not a welfare institution but a public company with metric tons of money involved. The primary goal shouldn't be to take care of the interests of willy-webmaster (and his competitive disputes with oscar-webmaster) but of their own financial ratios.

Plus think of the guidelines - many webmasters have respected the guidelines finding themselves on #1000+ after florida/austin. Now what is the benefit of these guidelines anyhow? Not that I am angry with anybody I just established my own personal discount/filter on official SE-rep statements. :-))

richlowe

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Msg#: 1599 posted 5:32 pm on May 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

A guestbook is intended as a way for visitors to leave comments about a web site. They are not message boards. And they are not intended to be tools for scummy SEO companies to make a fast buck. Leaving an advertisement in a guestbook is unethical as it violates the purpose (just like leaving advertisements in forums is unethical for the same reason).

I have my guestbooks set with the metatag so they don't spider. I don't want random visitors to them, I want guests. And any SEO type entries get deleted without being read.

ThomasB

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Msg#: 1599 posted 8:36 am on May 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Bernie, from my experience you won't get any disadvantage except that the links don't count. If you would have any disadvantage I would knock down the competition by spamming guestbooks with their URLs.

webnewton

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Msg#: 1599 posted 12:42 pm on May 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Google is highly favouring such enteries as of now. So they're good for the time being. No gurantees for the future.

ChrisKud5

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Msg#: 1599 posted 12:20 pm on May 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

You think Google employees have the time to go throgh billions of webpages and find guestbooks and mark them as "bad"

Give me a break, a guestbook link is treated like any other link. Until i am shown consistant proof that links of this nature are bad, I will not believe any of this.

I have some guestbook links, some show up when searching for backlinks, some come up for links to be when searching for keywords. The last thing I would ever say about a guestbook link is that they are bad, they have driven traffic and page rank to me.

Whose job is it to search the internet and find guestbooks to tag as bad for search engines? Saying guestbooks are bad is based on little knowledge, and experiance. Who is consistant evidence that guest book links ALWAYS cause penalties (or even cause penalties 1% of the time?) Nobody does, because it is not true.

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Msg#: 1599 posted 2:53 pm on May 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

...from my experience you won't get any disadvantage except that the links don't count.

I'm with Thomasb on that one.

alkaxshop

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Msg#: 1599 posted 10:34 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm definately agree with ChrisKud5. The thing is that if you tried to sign some guestbooks, look for the sites that have similar content with your site. For example, if your site is about shopping, type shopping in google, and at the buttom of the site, you will see "search within result", click on it and type guestbook. You will see a lot of websites that are about shopping and have guestbooks for you to sign. It will be good for your site traffic and link popularity.

martinibuster

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Msg#: 1599 posted 10:49 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

The thing is that if you tried to sign some guestbooks, look for the sites that have similar content with your site.

You're assuming that the search engine is judging a site by a theme. It is not. Google judges the pages on a page by page basis.

This point came up last December in an interview that Mike Grehan did with a Google engineer (name escapes me at the moment). The engineer stated something along the lines of, don't be afraid to create an entire website about A, and then have one little page about B. He said that that one page about B will not suffer algorithmically from being associated within a website about A. He was talking about a page by page analysis.

What that means is that a guestbook on a Topic A site is the same as a guestbook on a website about Topic B. If the pages are being evaluated for content on a Page by Page basis, the website's similar or dissimilar content is not a factor. For all intents and purposes, the guestbook is the same as any other guestbook.

Remember, it's called PageRank, not SiteRank.

Voyteck

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Msg#: 1599 posted 12:50 pm on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

Links from blog's and guestbooks count: and here is my proof with an explanation.

When operating in a very competive market's things are not that transparent as in Countries where you only need PR5 to rank #1 for sex.

I had a site ranking #1 for a very competetive one word general search.
About a month ago I've noticed a site climbing in the ranks, yesterday it overranked me.

The site has a little content, except links to other artificially generated pages with more or less the same content in the body. The structure looked like this:

keyword.biz.STH

keyword.biz.STH/cheap-keyword.html
keyword.biz.STH/keyword-cheap.html

and more variations using words like: used, synonims and so on.
all those pages were internally linked with each-other.

Some of you are maybe aware that G did not do any update on backward links for more then a month, if it is not the case in your Country please let me know.
(I've discussed with other SEO's in other countries, and we are doing SEO for more then 30 Clients with PR 4-9.).

Anyway I checked links back to his site and:
The owner left spam comments in guestbooks and blogs, and that lifted him up. Although those links are not shown by Google in back links, you can find them using the right search strings diffrent than link:www.domain.com, those are comments from blog's with a PR.

There could be diffrent factors, but I have seen the page improving rankings one by one, and I belive that it is mainly due to the new links pointing as I have seen the date consistency on the new posts/comments.

Tell me what do you think?

wuzexin2000

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Msg#: 1599 posted 8:50 am on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

not good or bad. just waste your time

Larryhat

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Msg#: 1599 posted 9:01 am on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hello all: Interesting thread.

When first trying to get the word out on my non-commercial site, I made entries in a lot of topic-related guestbooks.
I doubt it did much good at all. My theory now is that Google has considered the GB entry matter, but not done much about it.
Why? Simple. Their long existing algorithms already count links from quality incoming pages, PR and/or whatever else. Guestbook Pages have ZERO rank no matter how you define it. Think about it. When is the last time you provided an outgoing link to somebody's guestbook? Having no rank at all, links to your sites languish, with little or no value.
I think your time is better spent establishing quality links, in both directions. Best - Larry

HellaCooL

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Msg#: 1599 posted 7:30 pm on Jun 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Actually I think that GB links still count.
A website that I’m competing with for a very competitive keyword has 99% of its incoming links from quest books. Has around 280 guestbook incoming links and almost no other type.
What amazes me the most is that this website is ranked in first two results in Google, Yahoo, Msn, etc. which I have never seen for a website before. And the worst of all they are not even using the keyword in their description!?
I guess that all those backlinks that they have from guestbooks are counted as one way links from many different websites. And I’m pretty sure that G has no clue where the links are coming from. I mean come on, so many pages with a bunch of hidden text still rank extremely good. If they can’t control that, how will they control GB entries?

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