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tracking who links to you
Any effective tool?
silverbytes




msg:423637
 11:08 pm on May 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

The challenge:

you can detect who is linking to you in some SE like google. But most of sites will not be listed there even if they are linking to you.

a 50% of my incoming links are not listed in google.
I got Arelis software but it tracks incoming links to my site relaying SE too. So I really don't know how many and who is really linking to me.
That is a serious problem because my link pages have some 300 outgoing links.

First, I don't want to waste links with those that are not linking back,

Second, I need to know who is linking to me and be able to track that on time and in the future.

So I basically need a tool able to handle a list of urls (given, I can provide a list of sites I suspect are linking to me) and tell me if there is a link to my site.

Does such a tool exists?
I heard that software to check positions on SE bothers SE so I don't want to pass for the same problem checking who is linking to me...

Any help?

 

grandpa




msg:423638
 2:21 am on May 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

It sounds like you need a spider. Feed it the list of pages you are supposed to be on, and have it verify those links.

silverbytes




msg:423639
 6:00 pm on May 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Feed who?
What spider will do that?

silverbytes




msg:423640
 1:51 am on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Does anybody recommend some effective tool for that? tracking reciprocal links? I've tried many crappy tools none of these effective.

some asks you for the exact url to enter manually of your link partner...

some others import a list but you have to manually change preferences in each url.

Some others doesnt track variations of your url, so if someone links to [mysite.com...] but other to [mysite.com...] they detect it wrong.

?

Receptional




msg:423641
 4:16 pm on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

If 50% of the sites linking to you are not listed in Google, are they really helping you?

You can use your log files or tracking software to see which domains/URLs send you traffic which would be a pretty good start I would guess.

silverbytes




msg:423642
 11:18 pm on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Don't want to argue but that's not true at at all.
Yes, is there life beyond google and in the other hand many sites are not listed in google but they will soon, next month or some months later. I care about them.
Many listed in google sites have not all pages *currently* listed, it's just a matter of time some pages get listed too. Many of these are linking to me and I want to track them too.

Taking a look at logs is no help.
I need to track domains (not entire urls) to detect whether they are linking or not.

So the question again is:
Do you know a good software or service like a spider to scan a list of domains looking for backlinks?

balam




msg:423643
 12:33 am on May 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

> If 50% of the sites linking to you are not listed in Google, are they really helping you?

If they send you qualified traffic, then the answer is obvious...

silverbytes, how many sites and how big are they, that you are trying to track backlinks from? Is this a one-time search you want to do, or would it be a regular, ongoing thing?

There are so many options available to do what you want... If it's a small number of pages you want to check, just save the pages and do a local text search for your domain name in the files.

Scaling up... Have your browser crawl the site, then do a text search.

Download an open-source spider, and (politely) let it loose on the sites you're interested in... Then text search.

Receptional




msg:423644
 9:14 am on May 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

If 50% of the sites linking to you are not listed in Google, are they really helping you?

OK - I admit it - I disagree with my own quote. My most productive link has been from a pdf file for the last 5 years - well before the engines tracked pdf files.

Silverbytes - does Zeus do this for you?

balam




msg:423645
 3:45 pm on May 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

> OK - I admit it - I disagree with my own quote.

Takes a big person... Is there an emoticon for a pat on the back? :)

silverbytes




msg:423646
 9:25 pm on May 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thank you all. I dunno if Zeus does it. I'm afraid of his negative aspects since it was marked in black by google so I never tried...

Any opens source spider like mentioned you know?

Receptional




msg:423647
 8:20 am on May 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

None that I know of.

(I make at least one mistake a day... doesn't everyone?)

balam




msg:423648
 1:32 pm on May 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've stickied you the address of a Java-written spider, silverbytes.

silverbytes




msg:423649
 6:38 pm on May 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks!

wavebird23




msg:423650
 1:18 am on May 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

If you have a relatively popular site, (more than 100 page views a day), you can go to google and enter www.yoursite.com, click search and scroll down to the bottom of all of the listings. Click on "Find web pages that link to www.yoursite.com". There will be a list of sites that link to it.

Calum




msg:423651
 1:40 pm on May 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hello Silverbytes from an avid Arelis fan.

Lets start by clarifying what Arelis does.
If you have a site entered into your database, Arelis spiders their site. So if your link appears anywhere on their site, Arelis allows you to choose to change the status to "Site links back" and can also put the tick in the Links Back box.
So this takes care of people you've written to.

What this doesn't tell you is the quality of the link. So if they have stuck it onto a site that is more than 2 clicks from home or doesn't yet have a G PR or is cloacked - you won't know. So what do you do?
Go visit their site and search for your site (I use Ctrl-F and type in a unique word or part of a word on each suspecting page). When you find the page, copy it into the Arelis box that shows their link to you (one that says "optional") This allows you to quickly track their page down in the future if they ever stop linking to you. Arelis will tell you that they have stopped (just as before) - and this link will allow youto verify for sure that the page you were on still exists, to inform you as to what's happened before you write off to their webmaster.

As for finding links from people who you do not have in the database - I know not of any method other than going to Yahoo and typing in:
Link:http://www.mydomain.com
Although it's not bang up to date, it's much better than G. Both are not yet showing backlinks from the last 2 or so months. I do however see my site steadily bumping off other top sites on the SERP's for my targetted keywords on G. I've not changed anything else on the site, so I know the backlinks are kicking in despite not being shown by SE's.

As suggested earlier, if you really want to know who's secretly linking to you, then trawl through your visitor logs. There are some progs that list every single domain that's passed any traffic to you. Problem with this method is that many sites who don't link to you will show up here. So to suss them out get Arelis to spider them by entering their details into Arelis's database.

<snip>

[edited by: martinibuster at 4:24 pm (utc) on May 15, 2004]
[edit reason] Please, no self promotion. Thanks. [/edit]

Sathish




msg:423652
 7:33 pm on May 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

> Does such a tool exists?

silverbytes - I was searchin for a kinda similar tool some time ago. Couldn't find any perfect tool yet. People even suggested spiders like one which grandpa mentioned in this thread. most of the hosting company would not allow you to relay those spiders which is illegal.

I know Linksmanager does this job perfectly.
You have an option in linksmanager control panel to import your old links page to them and then linksmanager will spider the sites on those links pages to find the reciprocal link.

there are few other tools still available in hotscripts.com which I never examined to see how well they perform.

I'm still using spread sheet to manage links ;)

silverbytes




msg:423653
 6:14 pm on May 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Optilink seems to do what I want but the triel is very limited and it's price not cheap...

I use Arelis and I try to like it... but never helps me....

silverbytes




msg:423654
 2:03 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, don't want to be unfair with Arelis. Sometimes helps me. It's just that the process is very time consuming and the email sending is slower than Outlook or any other email client...

It takes long to pick partners, and also to sending mail to them

graywolf




msg:423655
 4:48 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

on G try:

www.domain.com -site:www.domain.com

fom2001uk




msg:423656
 10:25 am on May 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Think you'll find that

?domain.com

will list the most backlinks on Google.

Receptional




msg:423657
 11:16 am on May 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Oooh - the? trick is better than the one I was using. Thanks for that.

JoeD




msg:423658
 12:13 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have a site that has 100+ pages listed in Google but only two in Yahoo.

How do I rectify this.

I checked using site:www.mydomain.com

Also one other question. My site is still only showing a few backlinks even though a couple of months ago I added about 50 links. Most of these had good Google PR 3+ up to PR 6+

Are Google not updating these lists?...is that why?

Thanks for your help
Joe

trillianjedi




msg:423659
 12:16 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

I agree with the second part of Receptional's original post - nothing better than your log files. If someone is linking to you and not producing a single bit of traffic, they're not worth knowing about anyway.

TJ

fom2001uk




msg:423660
 9:53 am on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

you might want to think about giving some of those linking pages a little boost, by linking to them.

It's an old trick, but still an effective one, AFAIK

silverbytes




msg:423661
 1:03 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

As the starter of this thread I must say the original question wasn't yet answered.

I couldn't find myself a decent tool that let's you put your domain and a list of domains to check and be able to tell you how many of those are linking to you.

I doubt that script or tool exists now.
First tried to make Arelis do that but can't.
Link Checker pro won't install.
Link Popularity just points what search engines lists,
all the others need the *exact* url of the page where your link should be or the *exact* url of your link (so if you have sites that link to [yoursite.com...] and [yoursite.com...] you are dead)
Or if you suspect your link partner is linking to you from [theothersite.com...] but he moved to [theothersite.com...] you are pretty dead again

Could someone find a decent reciprocal link checker?

manwah




msg:423662
 3:26 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

I use linkautomate.com and the script checks site perfectly. It can even perform sitewise reciprocal link checking.

silverbytes




msg:423663
 2:00 pm on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the data. I was thinking in a regular software one pay only with no complications in installing. Linksmanager does but works with monthly fee. any other?

digitalv




msg:423664
 2:05 pm on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Why not just look in your web stats as to who has sent you TRAFFIC? Knowing who has a link to you doesn't really do you any good if no one is clicking those links.

Just because a site links to you doesn't mean they deserve a link back - only link back to sites that send you traffic. You can see those in your stats.

Artecona




msg:423665
 5:20 pm on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Try LinkWrangler it works great for our needs.

[edited by: martinibuster at 11:01 pm (utc) on June 18, 2004]
[edit reason] Edit for URL [/edit]

silverbytes




msg:423666
 10:46 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Why not just look in your web stats as to who has sent you TRAFFIC? Knowing who has a link to you doesn't really do you any good if no one is clicking those links.
Just because a site links to you doesn't mean they deserve a link back - only link back to sites that send you traffic. You can see those in your stats.

Thank you. I agree getting traffic is good. But is not the only reason to want a link from another site.
Popularity helps so I trade happily links with good PR sites and pages even if they don't send me traffic. Probably they will not bring me traffic EVER, but their links help me rank and get the traffic form where I want to.

You can't see that in logs.
BTW still need a good spider or link checker able to detect where they are linking or not. Not only based on SE indexed results...
Any others!
:)

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