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Firebird = Firefox + 0.8 Released
Another name change
xcandyman




msg:1589813
 10:49 am on Feb 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Firebird has had another name change to firefox. Also 0.8 has been released.

[mozilla.org...]

Have fun

 

encyclo




msg:1589814
 2:06 pm on Feb 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm posting using Firefox 0.8 on Linux - a few changes from Firebird 0.7, but looks good so far. Silly name, though - all the firefox.* domain names are taken and the continuing confusion over the product name won't help with getting the browser known to the general public. Hey, you should try Phoenix, er, no Firebird, er no, Firefox, er..... The Browser Formerly Known As Mozilla!

aevea




msg:1589815
 2:51 pm on Feb 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Seems like their sites down, anybody else having trouble?

Adam

bcolflesh




msg:1589816
 2:57 pm on Feb 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Odd name change - they trademarked it in December 22, 2003 - there are 2 other live trademarks for the same name - a fire suppression system and a racing boat.

LinuxGold




msg:1589817
 3:02 pm on Feb 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Sheesh, they should stick to FireBird, and change the logo design where Image is everything in business or marketing.

"FireBird" sounds appealing and powerful, yet, without proper image, it gets watered down.

xcandyman




msg:1589818
 3:17 pm on Feb 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes the site is currently down, looks like they got slashdotted. The new download manager is great.

Robino




msg:1589819
 3:17 pm on Feb 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Can't access the site.

I like FireFox better than FireBird. Firebird makes me think of a crappy old Pontiac sports car.

bcolflesh




msg:1589820
 3:20 pm on Feb 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Firefox makes me think of the crappy Clint Eastwood movie:

imdb.com/title/tt0083943/

stripey




msg:1589821
 4:55 pm on Feb 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Firefox reminds me of one of those old handheld videogames

[users2.ev1.net...]

:-)

grahamstewart




msg:1589822
 5:03 pm on Feb 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Firefox makes me think of the crappy Clint Eastwood movie

Yup. Do we now have to "think in Russian" to use it? :)

ergophobe




msg:1589823
 7:23 pm on Feb 9, 2004 (gmt 0)


Yup. Do we now have to "think in Russian" to use it? :)

Yes, and you have to browse at the North Pole.

Sorry for the spam. Anyway, I hope they fixed the crappy Firebird Password Manager which didn't work nearly as well as the Mozilla one (only signed me in to about 75% of the sites that Mozilla or IE would).

Tom

ergophobe




msg:1589824
 7:27 pm on Feb 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

At least they have a sense of humor about it


Won't this confuse people?

Yes, but if the WWF can pull it off, so can we. Besides, in six months you'll forget there ever was any other name.

But I hate the new name. It's stupid.

Our editors are trying to figure out whether this is a question.

Anyway, it sounds like they had sufficient (read: legal and political, rather than sensible) reason to change. See the FAQ

[mozilla.org...]

andy_boyd




msg:1589825
 8:04 pm on Feb 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Is it as fast as the super-plane? ;-)

I use it on Windows, it really is indispensable for browsing - makes the internet a friendlier place.

ergophobe




msg:1589826
 9:36 pm on Feb 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Faster - it gets data from Siberia to top-secret US Air Force bases in just seconds.

Tom

amznVibe




msg:1589827
 10:30 pm on Feb 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Mozilla/Firefox mirrors:
[mozilla.org...]
Works for me:
[sunsite.rediris.es...]

Too cute, a firefox:
[binderparkzoo.org...]

danieljean




msg:1589828
 8:33 pm on Feb 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've been using Firefox now since I saw its release announced on slashdot. I think this browser now beats IE, and I've asked my parents to switch.

Better security, pop-up blocking, tabbed browsing are all good. The new download and bookmark managers are also nice.

The thing that clinches it for my folks, though, is the ability to change text size. CTRL+ and CTRL- increase and decrease text size regardless of CSS instructions for fixed font sizes. It sometimes looks ugly and breaks the layout, but at least they can read it.

bird




msg:1589829
 8:41 pm on Feb 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Other than I understood the installation instructions, you *must* create a new profile if you have any themes or extensions from firebird installed. Especially the themes will screw up the GUI big time (losing scrollbars etc.).

Once that obstacle is overcome though, it's a big step forward. Noticeably faster (firebird already wasn't slow), and a wonderfully practical tool to get the job done.

andrew_m




msg:1589830
 9:55 pm on Feb 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have a habit of typing search words into location bar in mozilla, then hitting "tab", "enter" to search for them in google. That is "Ctrl+L", keywords, "tab", "enter".

Does not work in firefox and I hate that. Anyone knows a workaround?

Otherwise it does look nice and speedy, yes.

bull




msg:1589831
 7:26 am on Feb 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Any idea when there will be a german localized version?

aevea




msg:1589832
 11:05 am on Feb 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have a habit of typing search words into location bar in mozilla, then hitting "tab", "enter" to search for them in google. That is "Ctrl+L", keywords, "tab", "enter".

"Ctrl+l", "tab", keywords, "enter" works for me. Do you have the google search item on your navigation toolbar?

Adam

isitreal




msg:1589833
 10:31 pm on Feb 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

[quote[I have a habit of typing search words into location bar in mozilla, then hitting "tab", "enter" to search for them in google. That is "Ctrl+L", keywords, "tab", "enter".

Does not work in firefox and I hate that. Anyone knows a workaround?
[/quote]

Yes, firebird has had that for a while, hit cntrl + k and it puts you in its google search bar, type in your search, hit enter, there you are.

keyplyr




msg:1589834
 1:35 am on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, I tried it for about 20 minutes then dumped it. Everything looked awful. Images looked bad, poor CSS support at major websites, ugly looking interface. Too many negatives for me to enjoy the afore mentioned amenities.

RammsteinNicCage




msg:1589835
 2:14 am on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Images looked bad, poor CSS support at major websites

Hmm, I just used it to check out the CSS Zen Garden and ESPN.com - the CSS and the images looked fine. What sites are you having problems with?

Jennifer

Hester




msg:1589836
 9:43 am on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Everything looked awful. Images looked bad, poor CSS support at major websites, ugly looking interface.

There's no way images will look any different, unless it was installed badly, or something is wrong with the internet cache, etc.

As for "poor CSS support" I've never had a problem with the Gecko engine (that Firefox and Mozilla use) at any major websites. It's a simple fact that Gecko has superior CSS support than IE, so it's the web that needs to catch up. Any designer worth employing should be coding well enough that their code has no problems in any major browser. The only problems tend to occur when IE-specific Javascript is used.

I've used Mozilla for over a year myself and found it more than capable. Sure, some sites don't like it, but they tend to be amateur ones (probably made in FrontPage) rather than any major sites, which can't afford to let their sites look bad.

Can you give examples of the sites that had "poor CSS support"?

Farix




msg:1589837
 12:22 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Keyplyr, something about what you said just doesn't have the ring of truth based on my own experience with Mozilla. Can you provide explicit proof of your claims? If not, then all you are doing is spreading FUD.

pixel_juice




msg:1589838
 1:34 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>Everything looked awful. Images looked bad, poor CSS support at major websites, ugly looking interface

You sure this wasn't IE6 you installed? ;)

But seriously, your criticisms don't seem to reflect reality -

Images looked bad - as Hester said this isn't really possible

Poor CSS support at major websites - I've been using firebird as my default browser for more than 6 months and I have yet to come across a single site that did not display CSS correctly. If you're talking about sites (badly) coded specifically for IE bugs then I guess that is a different issue, although I've found this to be extremely rare.

>>ugly looking interface

Again this is a strange comment. If you're comparing it to IE, the differences are barely noticeable (and easy to change)

If you don't like/don't want to use Firebird then that's entirely up to you. It would be nice if your criticsms were rather more constructive however.

In any case, thumbs up from me for Firebird. The only real problems I've found are with javascripts on some sites that have only been tested in IE. I've yet to recommend this browser to anyone who was disappointed with it.

ronin




msg:1589839
 1:36 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

He probably means things like non-centred page elements on a page that uses text-align:center; instead of margin:auto; for centering.

That's hardly limited CSS support, it's just following the damn spec...

keyplyr




msg:1589840
 10:10 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Of course you are all correct, how silly of me not to like it.

RammsteinNicCage




msg:1589841
 11:09 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

keyplyr, I'll take that as sarcasm.... We're not forcing you to like it (I'm not even that big of a fan of mozilla), we're just not seeing the problems that you are seeing. If you could be a little more specific without violating the TOS, maybe we can see if there really is a bug or something.

In Firefox, I noticed that for toolbars-->Bookmarks Toolbars, FireBIRD is still listed, not FireFOX. Is that there for everyone or is it there because I never uninstalled Firebird?

Jennifer

Robino




msg:1589842
 11:12 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

They all say Firefox on mine.


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