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Firefox goes 0.9 final
time to seriously consider Mozilla
amznVibe




msg:1589318
 8:07 am on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Happened just as I was watching!
Firefox 0.9 final:
[ftp.mozilla.org...]

also see upgrade info/tips [forums.mozillazine.org]

 

xcandyman




msg:1589319
 8:56 am on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

This release is great! Adds some great features that really makes the difference. Been using firefox since it existed (the phoenix days) and have never looked back.

jam13




msg:1589320
 9:25 am on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

They seem to have finally fixed a couple of long standing bugs too:

1) Background images would sometimes leave behind artifacts after vertical scrolling

2) Certain javascript functions would crash the browser every time

#2 was a big PITA for us because it made the web admin system of our ecommerce system unusable in anything apart from Exploder.

amznVibe




msg:1589321
 9:51 am on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Release notes:
[mozilla.org...]

mozopera




msg:1589322
 11:57 am on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Great! I quickly went to download it. Before it gets slashdotted (as it probably will).

jam13




msg:1589323
 12:09 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)


1) Background images would sometimes leave behind artifacts after vertical scrolling

Spoke too soon - it still does it :(

Mind you it's a minor bug and it doesn't really cause any problems.

progex




msg:1589324
 1:03 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

jam13: I believe it's just your computer.

My friend has the same problem, except he uses IE, I'm thinking it's something buggy with the video card.

encyclo




msg:1589325
 2:07 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Oh dear, oh dear... The new Linux installer program asks me to "Close all Windows programs before continuing" (!), then wants to install in the firefox-installer directory rather than somewhere more logical, like say
/usr/local. What's more, the installation instructions on the mozilla.org site give the wrong filenames. Not a good start.

I use Firefox as my primary browser, but I wouldn't dream of recommending it to a non-technical user or for a corporate rollout until version 1.0 at the very earliest. It's simply not ready for prime-time yet.

MatthewHSE




msg:1589326
 2:09 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, I wasn't going to upgrade this time, but I couldn't resist. (Should have known that would be the case!)

Contrary to some advice I've given around here lately, this 0.9 final release is definitely worth the upgrade. Much faster and more stable rendering, faster interface, and a much nicer default theme. Very very slick!

viggen




msg:1589327
 2:35 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

yup i agree, nice easy and fast, finally made me switch to firefox for good and say goodbye to IE.

cheers
viggen

RammsteinNicCage




msg:1589328
 3:16 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

What's the difference between Safe Mode and regular?

Jennifer

DrDoc




msg:1589329
 3:23 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Firefox goes 0.9 final

That still doesn't mean that the browser as such has reached it's "final" version. The browser as a whole is still in "beta".

Firefox 0.9 is the award winning preview of Mozilla's next generation browser.

That doesn't make Firefox any less of an excellent browser, though! :)

lunarboy1




msg:1589330
 4:01 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Firefox is so awesome. Gotta love it. Does mozilla have a wish/todo list we can check out?

DrDoc




msg:1589331
 4:07 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

[mozilla.org...]

encyclo




msg:1589332
 5:12 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

OK, I,ve got things working OK in 0.9 now after a manual install. Not sure I'm too fond of the default theme, but it's a minor matter.

If I understand things correctly, there is a feature-freeze until 1.0 - so what we're seeing in 0.9 is actually the equivalent of the first beta of the finished product. From now on, there will only be bug-fixing, making sure 1.0 is as stable as possible. I believe also that the time gap between 0.9 and 1.0 won't be as long as between 0.8 and 0.9, so we can hope for a 1.0 launch very soon!

Good things so far: language choice in the improved preferences section (which has moved to Edit and renamed from Options), as well as a general increase in speed.

SEMking




msg:1589333
 8:07 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

On the artifact problem for JAM13.

I had that on a home computer running IE. It disappears if you maximize the page. It seems to only occur when you're running an unmaximized browser window.

I have no idea why this happens.

Off to get the latest fox, hope they worked on the memory leaks.

Namaste




msg:1589334
 9:09 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

When will Mozilla get it.

To demonstrate the full power of their browsers, the need to issue it with default settings of multiple tabs enabled, pipelining, modern skin, etc.

Otherwise users just don't pick these features up.

MINE IS AN INTERNET COMPANY AND ALL DOWNLOADING MOZILLA/FIRE JUST DON'T ENABLE THESE FEATURES. I have to show them these features. Then they realise, what a great product.

Is anyone from Moz listening. You guys need to pick-up a good habit from Google: listening.

Otherwise, great work. I am not one to bash Microsoft, and I like Moz because of it own merits: its a great way to browse the contemporary Internet:

CritterNYC




msg:1589335
 9:25 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Oh dear, oh dear... The new Linux installer program asks me to "Close all Windows programs before continuing" (!), then wants to install in the firefox-installer directory rather than somewhere more logical, like say /usr/local. What's more, the installation instructions on the mozilla.org site give the wrong filenames. Not a good start.

Yes, this is a known issue. They decided not to have it block the 0.9 release, as it would have delayed it, but it is set as a 1.0 blocker (meaning that 1.0 will not be released until it is fixed).

I use Firefox as my primary browser, but I wouldn't dream of recommending it to a non-technical user or for a corporate rollout until version 1.0 at the very earliest. It's simply not ready for prime-time yet.

Lots of non-techies have been using it for some time. For a standard install, it's quite easy to do. The installer on Linux is brand-new, so it should be considered a pre-beta, really. The Windows installer works pretty well.

CritterNYC




msg:1589336
 9:29 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

To demonstrate the full power of their browsers, the need to issue it with default settings of multiple tabs enabled, pipelining, modern skin, etc.

Multiple tabs is enabled. It just doesn't have a little tabbie showing on the skin when there is only one tab. That's a design choice, but tabs are enabled.

Pipelining is another issue. It can cause problems with some webservers.

It has a modern skin. Did you even download Firefox? The Mozilla suite uses the classic skin due to accessibility reasons, and isn't being updated visually anymore due to the focus on Firefox.

jam13




msg:1589337
 9:54 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)


I had that on a home computer running IE. It disappears if you maximize the page. It seems to only occur when you're running an unmaximized browser window.

I have no idea why this happens.

I don't get this with IE, only Mozilla based browsers (latest Firefox and Mozilla browsers both do it), and it seems to happen on both maximised and normal windows.

I guess it could be a video card bug, but I've not seem it on any other applications so I put it down to the Gecko rendering engine.

It's not a big problem anyway - there are only a handful of sites where I have ever seen it occur. It just so happens that one of them is ours!

D_Blackwell




msg:1589338
 10:47 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've bumped up from 0.8, and thinking now about adding some extensions. Any opinions either way on these?

Adblock 0.5

Mouse Gestures 0.9.20040608

QuickNote 0.5.9

RSS Reader 0.7

Web Developer 0.8

Elijah




msg:1589339
 11:14 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Any opinions either way on these?
...
Mouse Gestures 0.9.20040608
...

I highly recommend Mouse Gestures! I just tried them for the first time today. They make browsing so much easier and faster. You can do almost any action using Mouse Gestures including going Back, Forward, Refresh, Stop, Paste, Close Tab etc..

To see all the actions that you can do on Browser Windows:
1. Install Mouse Gestures from [update.mozilla.org...]
2. Click Tools on the menu.
3. Click on Extensions
4. Find the Mouse Gestures extension and double click on it.
5. Click the Edit Mappings button.
6. On the left, change Window Type to Browser.
7. Look at the list of Active Mappings.

I have it configured so that I just press the right mouse button and draw the gusture. :)

Chndru




msg:1589340
 11:37 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

One of my fav. extension is BugMeNot [update.mozilla.org...]

Elijah




msg:1589341
 11:48 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

I just tried out the Web Developer 0.8 toolbar and it is AMAZING! You can use it to Find Broken Images, Validate HTML and CSS, Disable Styles and Images. Too many features to name! Try it today! ;)

D_Blackwell




msg:1589342
 11:56 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

I went over to check out the extension recommendations, not realizing I was on IE. Most of their pages related to extensions break in IE. LOL

isitreal




msg:1589343
 12:33 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Web Developer 0.8 toolbar and it is AMAZING! ... Disable Styles and Images

and, my current new favorite, when you hit one of those sites designed on macs, gamma settings not adjusted correctly for windows, so too dark text on too dark background, almost impossible to read, with a click you can disable all font and background colors, revert to black on white, but still keep the rest of the css formatting, pretty soon I'm just going to surf like that and ignore all the pretty colors people have put so much work into.

HarryM




msg:1589344
 12:35 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

I downloaded it to see what all the fuss was about. In my view it still has the same two faults as Mozilla.

Inaccurate rendering of container div widths until the page is scrolled. And almost illegible small size Chinese fonts, which would make it a pain to use in the Far East. IE and Opera handle both of these much better.

isitreal




msg:1589345
 12:44 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Inaccurate rendering of container div widths until the page is scrolled.

I've developed all my recent sites on Firebird/fox, haven't seen this problem, full div, never seen a breakdown, can you sticky a sample url? Also I'd be interested to see a sample url of the chinese text problem, is that all the different chinese types?, big 5, unicode, can't remember the others.

vkaryl




msg:1589346
 2:47 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

So far, I like it A LOT. NO USE for the "mouse gestures" silliness, but the radial right-click ext. is nice. There's a couple of really nice themes/skins, charamel in particular. I'm going to try the dev toolbar asap (which means this weekend *sigh*).

Great update, so far!

bill




msg:1589347
 5:08 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's not bad but feels a bit anemic after using Opera 7.5. Things I miss:
  • intuitive tab navigation
  • mouse gestures
  • spell check in form fields
  • all the passwords I've already set up in Opera ;)
  • customizable toolbar placement
  • customizable toolbars (ala Opera)
  • simple sidebar switching
  • page source editor choice
  • simple switching on/off of images/java/javascript/plug-ins/css...etc

That was from about an hour of Firefox use. I'm sure there are all sorts of ways to customize this thing, but I didn't want to get into hacking.

I also noticed some pages in WebmasterWorld displaying oddly. the [quote] region of some threads would become about 15 characters wide and stretch down the page. After a number of refreshes this went away. I can't replicate it now. odd.

regardless, Firefox looks like a nice testing browser. I'll be sure to keep the latest version in my toolkit.

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